Does anyone seriously believe Hillary's SDs are going to flip after this week?

[stopbush]

The lies from Sanders and his campaign, the overt announcement from his campaign that they would go after Hillary's super delegates and ask them to ignore the will of the voters and switch to Sanders. The demonizing of the D Party by Sanders. Did I mention Vaticangate?

Supers like Howard Dean are digging in their heels and making it clear that they will not be changing their vote to Sanders. Wyoming ended up a tie today, with Hillary winning more delegates than did BS. New York is going to be a decisive win for Hillary.

Bottom line: Hillary's super delegates are not going to flip. There's no reason for them to flip, nor will there be.

And that means that it's time for the "you can't include the super delegates in the delegate count" meme to die and go away. They're not changing. They're voting for Hillary. They're not switching to the DINO named Bernie Sanders.

Time to get real. It's over for Sanders. Period.

Time to include the super delegates in any realistic assessment of the nomination process.

[metroins]

1. She's up in popular vote and delegates

There's really no discussion.

[IamMab]

2. It was a total improbability even before this week. Sanders doesn't have a case to make that

superdelegates should switch to him. Winning small homogeneous states? Low-participation caucuses that won't be present in the general election? And then his performance in the NY media market this week didn't help at all.

We can say it until we're blue in the face, but they're not going to believe it until the vote at the convention. And even then, they're not going to be happy about it.

[George II]

3. I seriously doubt that elected Democratic officials and distinguished party leaders....

...are going to vote for a grifter who can't even get as many popular votes or delegates as him.

What's the rationale behind them voting for him?

[SaschaHM]

4. I think a few SDs will bite the bullet...

and give him a few pity votes so he doesn't leave the convention crying to his supporters about wrecking shit, but nothing in the ballpark to win him the nomination.

Then again, I think if his campaign talks about a contested convention/floor fight up to the convention, he will manage to piss off enough of them that this won't even happen.

[MADem]

6. He has just under three dozen. But he's not going to flip any of the promised ones. nt

[stopbush]

8. Why? What do they have to gain?

These are pols, Democratic pols who already feel enough loyalty to or belief in Hillary that they have already committed to her. They didn't have to commit, but they did.

Hillary has the nomination sewed up and probably the presidency. What possible advantage is there to a pol who is currently commited to Hillary to go over to a losing candidate and spend the next four years as a pariah to the sitting president?

You either have to have a political death wish or you had to have been feckless to commit to Hillary in the first place to change to Sanders at this time.

[SaschaHM]

9. Eh, There tends to be a little leeway when a winner is all but declared.

They are going to want a Unity narrative to start at the convention so you may the VT delegation go to him. Now, they won't go without Clinton's approval, of course, but she'll probably release a few to him as a gesture of goodwill. Most of the DNC delegates are nameless and will probably stick with Clinton. She may release a few senators in contested GE states that Bernie has won.

Any SD switch will be approved and only for show.

[stopbush]

10. Aren't all the VT supers already with Hill?

I really don't see it happening. The protocol goes the other way - ie: the losing candidate releases their delegates to vote for the victor, thereby showing party unity.

[MADem]

5. Not a CHANCE in HELL. nt

[Kath1]

7. Exactly.

No way in hell, indeed! Why would they?

[Thinkingabout]

11. After listening to his interview, why should any super delegate besides himself vote for him?

He has not shown good firm reasoning to endorse him.

[Cha]

12. Pretty these Super Dels like Winners.. that's why they went with Hillary in the first place.

[sheshe2]

13. Kicking!