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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:37 AM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders is trying to retroactively steal Missouri from Hillary Clinton as we speak

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-is-trying-to-retroactively-steal-missouri-from-hillary-clinton-as-we-speak/24406/


f this headline feels familiar, it’s because today marked the second time in less than a month that supporters of Bernie Sanders have tried to retroactively steal a state that Hillary Clinton had already long-ago won with a majority of the popular vote. Last time it was Nevada, a cheating scandal which cost at least one local official her job but failed to flip the state in Bernie’s favor. This time Bernie’s supporters are trying to retroactively steal Missouri, and the saga is playing out as we speak.

The only current sources of information come from a Reddit post and a forums post on the part of the Sanders supporters who appear to be behind the Missouri hijacking attempt. While these posts are absolutely not legitimate sources in terms of how the delegate voting actually went today, they do make clear that Sanders supporters once again tried to steal a state.

Their claim this is once again that delegates for Hillary Clinton mysteriously failed to show up; last time they made this claim, it was because a local official who was apparently in the tank for Sanders sent out messages telling Clinton delegates they didn’t need to show up, while Sanders supporters – seemingly aware in advance that such an opportunity was going to be created – organized to pack the hall so they could be named alternate delegates.


Is this happening again ??? I hope not...
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Bernie Sanders is trying to retroactively steal Missouri from Hillary Clinton as we speak (Original Post) Iamaartist Apr 2016 OP
I suspect Hillary folks in MO are onto this. Lets hope so. riversedge Apr 2016 #1
I hope Hillary folks in MO know this..... Iamaartist Apr 2016 #2
Did those cheaters ever stop to think for one fucking moment that nobody wants a Cheater in Cha Apr 2016 #3
This is so unreal sooner he is gone the better.... your welcome Cha Iamaartist Apr 2016 #4
Democratic party rules do not allow this Gothmog Apr 2016 #12
Thank for for this, Gothmog. Cha Apr 2016 #13
Good to hear the campaign is on top of this SharonClark Apr 2016 #24
You are right. The campaigns have control of who they allow for their delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #26
DISGUSTING!!! Her Sister Apr 2016 #5
Your welcome they cant they are the Tea Party... Iamaartist Apr 2016 #7
There seems to be a theory Hillary has bought the super delegates because she has fund raised for Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #6
She does have relationship with the members of congress something he dosen't have Iamaartist Apr 2016 #8
His failure. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #9
Your right his failure Iamaartist Apr 2016 #10
This needs to be told over and over again pandr32 Apr 2016 #18
Should have started twenty five years ago, maybe not to run for president one day but to be a Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #19
Hopefully we will win enough Dem support in Congress pandr32 Apr 2016 #21
Under Democratic rules, they can not do this Gothmog Apr 2016 #11
Well, they don't consider themselves Democrats when convenient, so they don't care to abide by the BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #14
That is what credential committee challenges are for Gothmog Apr 2016 #15
Happy to read that there are firewalls in place to ensure stealing delegates doesn't happen. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #16
They're probably going to try to become HRC delegates so they can flip their vote in June. IamMab Apr 2016 #22
Ignoring the will of the voters BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #17
"Perhaps there should be a rule..." Lucinda Apr 2016 #25
He is as corrupt as he tries to portray "the Establishment" liberal N proud Apr 2016 #20
K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #23
Another kick lunamagica Apr 2016 #27

Cha

(297,733 posts)
3. Did those cheaters ever stop to think for one fucking moment that nobody wants a Cheater in
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:59 AM
Apr 2016

the White House.. No one with principles or honor does.. certainly not the Super Dels. So their cheating is in vain.. all it does is out them as cheaters.

Thank you, Iamaartist

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
4. This is so unreal sooner he is gone the better.... your welcome Cha
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:05 AM
Apr 2016

He is becoming another Bush who stole the election from Gore.... he must part of that Tea Party..

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
12. Democratic party rules do not allow this
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

Each state has a delegate selection plan that controls. Each candidate gets to vet their delegates and have approval rights over their delegates. I just looked at the Missouri Delegate Selection Plan that the Sanders people can not change the results of the primary.

BTW, I am helping vet delegates for my senate district for the Hillary for American campaign and I know that lady who is doing this for a neighboring district

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
24. Good to hear the campaign is on top of this
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

I remember in 2008 that the Obama campaign in Iowa didn't vet one of his delegates for the Democratic National Convention. The guy made a big stink later when he voted Republican in the general election.

LiberalFighter

(51,104 posts)
26. You are right. The campaigns have control of who they allow for their delegates.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:12 PM
Apr 2016

They can't change the allocation of delegates except to correct the results. Which didn't happen.

Someone over at the Sanders group was of the mind that the outcome was reversed and posted it yesterday.

It seems that Sanders people want to change the rules so that it helps them.


The rules also only allow those that support Clinton to elect their delegates that go to the next step. Sanders people don't get to play.


April 7 Ward, Township, Legislative District, and County Mass Meetings take place across the state.

April 14 Filing deadline for candidates elected at the Ward, Township, Legislative District, and County Mass Meetings to run for district-level delegate at the Congressional District Conventions.

April 21 State Party provides list of district-level delegate and alternate candidates to the respective Presidential candidates.

April 25 Presidential candidates provide list of approved district-level delegate and alternate candidates to State Party.

April 28 District-level delegates are selected at the Congressional District Conventions.

May 7 State Party certifies elected district-level deleApril 7 Ward, Township, Legislative District, and County Mass Meetings take place across the state.

May 1 Pledged PLEO deadline for filing the statement of candidacy and pledge of support forms with State Party.

May 2 State Party provides list of PLEO candidates to the respective Presidential candidates.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. There seems to be a theory Hillary has bought the super delegates because she has fund raised for
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:36 AM
Apr 2016

Down ticket candidates and Sanders has been a recipient of Hillary's fund raising. Some apparently believe she has bought the super delegates with this funding, wrong. Hillary has established a relationship with members of congress and the Democratic members are now super delegates. Sanders has been in Congress for twenty five years, he apparently has not established a relationships, put that on Sanders.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
8. She does have relationship with the members of congress something he dosen't have
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

And soon Obama will endorse Hillary .also .....

pandr32

(11,617 posts)
18. This needs to be told over and over again
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

Media personalities like Chris Matthews, and others, love to talk about the Sanders' pursuit of superdelegates after the fact, but seem to fail to mention that Sanders never "earned" any superdelegate support over his lengthy political career.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
19. Should have started twenty five years ago, maybe not to run for president one day but to be a
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

good congressman.

pandr32

(11,617 posts)
21. Hopefully we will win enough Dem support in Congress
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

...that we can begin to be more serious and actually govern. We need to make sure that those elected to Congress in the future uphold a certain standard--that they will roll up their sleeves and get to work...together...not it's-my-way-or-the-highway like Sanders.

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
11. Under Democratic rules, they can not do this
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

Under the Missouri Delegate Selection plan, the results of the primary are binding and can not be changes. See rule 6A of the Delegate Selection plan https://drive.google.com/a/chriskoster.com/file/d/0Bw8qd8A8ZSVLY0RGWFNtMlJkdXc/view?pref=2&pli=1 In addition each Candidate has approval rights over their delegates under rule 5 of the Delegation Selection Plan. In Texas, I have been asked to help vet the delegates to the national convention for my Senate district for the Clinton campaign. The campaign takes this vetting process seriously.

I am not sure what the Sanders people think that they are doing. The primary is binding and they can not change the results fo the primary under Missouri Democratic party rules.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
14. Well, they don't consider themselves Democrats when convenient, so they don't care to abide by the
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

rules.

I've never seen such sore-loserism and a desire to cheat in order to win by any candidate on our side before Sanders. These attempts, to steal the election by any means possible is just beyond the pale and more characteristic of Teabaggers than Democrats.

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
15. That is what credential committee challenges are for
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016

If Sanders tries to steal delegates as described above, then the credentials committee in Philadelphia will not seat those delegates.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
16. Happy to read that there are firewalls in place to ensure stealing delegates doesn't happen.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

I believe the DNC had made a YUGE mistake allowing Sanders to run under the Democratic Party banner. I hope they've learned from this.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
22. They're probably going to try to become HRC delegates so they can flip their vote in June.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

It's like there's a fifth column inside the Democratic Party, trying to help destroy it in Sanders' name. SMH

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
17. Ignoring the will of the voters
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

and cheating are apparently OK for some SBS supporters.

I believe that the Hillary folks in MO have got this covered. But I believe that such actions are unprecedented in Dem primaries.

Perhaps there should be a rule that one cannot run for the office of President as a Dem unless one actually has BEEN a Dem for at least five years or some such to stop opportunists.

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
20. He is as corrupt as he tries to portray "the Establishment"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

And that pretend Good Guy is dangerous for that reason.

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