Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumQuestion about Hillary's vote in support of the Iraq Resolution.
If Hillary had voted against authorization how would the people of New York had responded? Especially in the NYC area? Wouldn't that had been a suicide vote if she had voted no?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)out before the inspection. Those who are falsely holding Hillary responsible for the invasion as Sanders are wrong. It would be like blaming Noah for the flood.
pandr32
(11,617 posts)For some reason the BS has stuck...pun intended
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to vote against the resolution. And, I do not believe most viewed the resolution as an invitation to invade Iraq. It gave the Prez authority to do so if it was REALLY NEEDED. It was designed to give bush leverage in weapons inspections in Iraq and perhaps ousting Saddam. I think it was the thing to do at the time, but george war bush took advantage and killed more of our guys than died on 9/11 chasing lies in the desert, not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. Someone like John Kerry or Hillary Clinton would have used it as leverage, nothing more.
I also believe a lot of folks who now say they knew the resolution was a mistake, knew no such thing at the time, and are just blowing smoke. It was clearly a mistake to invade, occupy and bomb when weapons inspectors like Hans Blix literally begged bush to let them finish their work. I think it was easy for folks like Sanders to vote against the resolution once he knew it would pass.
LiberalFighter
(51,104 posts)LisaM
(27,839 posts)I heard someone point this out recently. He rarely discusses the Bush years. Why is that? Imagine if we'd kept on the course GWB laid out?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)one of 2 day ago.
Well stated!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Time of the votec we did not know whether there was any WMDs, neither did Sanders. They did have a problem at one time, if the resolution failed then Sanders would have used very poor judgement in voting against the bill.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)LisaM
(27,839 posts)Considering Bernie Sanders uses this as justification for his repeated votes on behalf of the gun industry, I don't think he can take the high road here.
In sum, both candidates have made votes many of us don't agree with. My support of HRC is very much tied to the idea that I think she'll be a stronger president.
LiberalFighter
(51,104 posts)I seriously doubt New Yorkers are going to forget 9/11 that easy. And anyone that suggests Clinton should had voted against it while representing New York must have a grenade between their cheeks.
sarae
(3,284 posts)I guess it's ok to use that reasoning for Bernie, but not Hillary?
sarae
(3,284 posts)Beyond that, it's annoying how people discount the difference in how female politicians are treated. When you're a woman, people will take any opportunity to criticize you for being "too weak" and "soft", none of which Bernie has had to deal with.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)2001 AUMF Against Terrorists - the same law President Obama is using to go after ISIS today. He's not using the 2002 AUMF Against Iraq but the 2001 AUMF Against Terrorists, which was a blank check to the president to attack any country that harbors terrorists, as the president deems necessary.
And Bernie voted for that one.
The 2002 AUMF Against Iraq was a way to slow down the feverish drumbeats of war. It put into place conditions that had to be met, like allowing IEAE inspectors back in and do their job with all the time they needed, seek UN support, seek support from our traditional allies, and so forth. The Cheney Administration did half-assed attempts and fast-fowarded to war with "New Europe" since our traditional allies refused to be a part of the rush to war.
Make no mistake. The Cheney war-cabal was going to have their war come hell or high-water. So three months after the 2001 AUMF Against Terrorists was signed into law, Bush began beating the drums for war when he, during his SOTU speech, first uttered the now infamous Axis of Evil which included Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.