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MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:37 PM Apr 2016

Not Good, Not Good At All (TPM EDITOR'S BLOG)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/not-good-not-good-at-all--2

By JOSH MARSHALL

As you no doubt saw, last night Bernie Sanders launched a pretty blistering attack on Hillary Clinton, calling her unqualified to be president because of various past positions, relationships and votes. The attack was premised on Sanders' claim that Clinton had said that he was unqualified to serve as president. Only she didn't say that. The sorry tale tracks back to what was simply a false story in The Washington Post. The Post published a story that put together various Clinton interviews and recent statements and summed it up as 'Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be President.' As I said last night, I'm willing to believe, actually assume that Sanders was told the story was true. But the fact is that it wasn't.

This morning he half blamed the press for the false claim but also doubled down on it. "So when, you have headlines in The Washington Post, 'Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president,' my response is well, you know, if you want to question my qualifications ..."

All candidates, by definition, say that they're more qualified than their opponent. Various things Clinton said can be reasonably interpreted as questioning whether Sanders is up to the job of the presidency. But it is an entirely different matter when an opponent, in his own voice, says flatly his challenger is "unqualified" to serve as President of the country. That's something that cannot be unsaid. If Clinton is the nominee, it will undoubtedly be a staples of GOP stump speeches in the Fall. These are simple realities of political campaigns. Primaries that drag on get intense. Especially in the venomous and kinetic New York media environment. The Clinton operation has plenty of sharp elbows themselves. But it is incumbent on both candidates to fight hard and yet not say things that can't be unsaid - not always as easy thing to manage. Because it matters a lot on various fronts, what the candidate him or herself says, says explicitly.

The scuffle got more intense and more cynical later this morning when Sanders' campaign manager Jeff Weaver came on MSNBC and now explicitly doubled down, actually doubly double-down. He says the Post was right. Clinton did say Sanders was unqualified. So they'll say it about her. So there!

Now, as I've watched this campaign unfold, I've increasingly had the sense that Weaver is a, maybe the key source of toxicity and cynicism in the Sanders camp, and I suspect doesn't care terribly about the November election if Sanders isn't the standard bearer. Obviously Sanders is responsible for his own campaign. And it's difficult to overestimate the mix of exhaustion, frustration and intensity that gets churned up in a hotly contested race like this. People get mad. On both sides. No crying in baseball, of course. Campaigns can and do do what they feel they need to do. But the consequences are ones all should understand and absorb.

This is cynical. It's a lie. And it's playing with fire.
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Not Good, Not Good At All (TPM EDITOR'S BLOG) (Original Post) MrWendel Apr 2016 OP
I don't think WaPo's story was so wrong--it was the headline spooky3 Apr 2016 #1
Correct. The headlines at newspapers aren't written by the reporter. stopbush Apr 2016 #7
:-) you should hang out a consulting shingle! spooky3 Apr 2016 #9
Let the games begin, stopbush Apr 2016 #2
I think it is right that Weaver doesn't care about the November upaloopa Apr 2016 #3
Frankly, I am sincerely wondering whether BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #12
Yes, me too. wisteria Apr 2016 #16
If this was Sanders source and it was wrong thrn it is on him to walk bach his statement.c Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #4
Sanders is also cynical. I wouldn't put all the blame on Weaver. livetohike Apr 2016 #5
Kick. Squinch Apr 2016 #6
His campaign has gone up in Bernie Cinders, and I think he wants to take us all down with him. nt kjones Apr 2016 #8
Bern too much? LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30
Hillary is the only adult in the room. brer cat Apr 2016 #10
Is this really the stuff... DeGreg Apr 2016 #29
You are in the wrong group. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #31
This one sentence sums up the BS campaign in its entirety. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #11
That's the paragraph I highlighted, too, Tarheel.. Cha Apr 2016 #15
I've known from the beginning that this whole thing wouldn't end nicely. How do you throw your.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #17
Right! Obviously doesn't think ahead.. just rages in the moment over a false headline.. talk Cha Apr 2016 #19
I don't have much faith in the American "voter" at this point. If that NYDN editorial board didn't.. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #25
Fibbing about being invited to the Vatican? Cha Apr 2016 #26
So BS initiated this? Well, you wouldn't know it from how it's being portrayed on the airwaves. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #27
Well, this just broke.. and I think bernie started the rumor that he was invited so the media Cha Apr 2016 #28
What BS did, we prove Hillary’s point - he should do his homework liberal N proud Apr 2016 #13
Exactly.. he didn't do his homework AGAIN! Cha Apr 2016 #20
BS and his big mouth gets him into Big Trouble.. who didn't see that coming?! Cha Apr 2016 #14
Thanks... MrWendel Apr 2016 #18
My mother calls it Treant Apr 2016 #22
Oh yeah, it's BS' responsibility all the way.. he hired the ****** and he's keeping him on and Cha Apr 2016 #23
"This is cynical. It's a lie. And it's playing with fire." SunSeeker Apr 2016 #21
Keen observation, SunSeeker~. "This is cynical. It's a lie. And it's playing with fire." Cha Apr 2016 #24
"Clinton did say Sanders was unqualified. So they'll say it about her. So there! " NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #32

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
7. Correct. The headlines at newspapers aren't written by the reporter.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

But think of the embarrassment Sanders campaign could have avoided had they actually read the article. They could have said, "look, that's not what Hillary said. That headline is wrong." They could have turned the mistake into a positive for them, giving Hillary a deserved pass ("look how nice we are to the corporate shill&quot while beating up on "the establishment media" for attacking the Sanders' campaign.

But they didn't.

Amateurs.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. I think it is right that Weaver doesn't care about the November
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:46 PM
Apr 2016

election if Bernie is not the nominee. There is a bunch of privilage in that campaign.

They can afford a Trump presidency and hope it brings on the revolution.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
12. Frankly, I am sincerely wondering whether
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie cares about the November election if he is not the nominee.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. If this was Sanders source and it was wrong thrn it is on him to walk bach his statement.c
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:57 PM
Apr 2016

His campaign team needs to walk back their stories, do I expect them to do this, no, it would be admitting something wrong.

livetohike

(22,144 posts)
5. Sanders is also cynical. I wouldn't put all the blame on Weaver.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

Listen/read some of his retorts while interviewed. He's the Eddie Haskell smart ass of the 2016 election.

 

DeGreg

(72 posts)
29. Is this really the stuff...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

that folks for Hillary hold on to motivate themselves? Hillary is a deeply flawed candidate and deeply flawed democrat. I'm trying to figure out how supposedly empathetic, fair minded democrats can support a compromised (by $$$) candidate--other than to suggest, it might follow, that her supporters are compromised as well.

Bravo -- Everything for a dollar/Anything for a dollar.

On the the convention...

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
11. This one sentence sums up the BS campaign in its entirety.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
Apr 2016
"Now, as I've watched this campaign unfold, I've increasingly had the sense that Weaver is a, maybe the key source of toxicity and cynicism in the Sanders camp, and I suspect doesn't care terribly about the November election if Sanders isn't the standard bearer".


They absolutely do not care about November if BS isn't the nominee. Susan Sarandon already said as much. It's the height of white privilege on the part of the alleged surrogates of the BS campaign.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
15. That's the paragraph I highlighted, too, Tarheel..
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

What we knew and so glad Josh Marshall is saying it!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
17. I've known from the beginning that this whole thing wouldn't end nicely. How do you throw your....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

support to someone you have declared "unqualified" for the job? Can you imagine the tv ads?

Cha

(297,240 posts)
19. Right! Obviously doesn't think ahead.. just rages in the moment over a false headline.. talk
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:36 PM
Apr 2016

about not ready to be POTUS!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
25. I don't have much faith in the American "voter" at this point. If that NYDN editorial board didn't..
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

show how "unqualified" he is, I don't know what it will take.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
26. Fibbing about being invited to the Vatican?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016
Sanders Accused of ‘Discourtesy’ in Seeking Vatican Invitation

snip//

A senior Vatican official accused Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders of showing a “monumental discourtesy” in his lobbying for an invitation to a church-sponsored conference on economic and environmental issues for political purposes.

Sanders, whose foreign policy experience is under attack by rival Hillary Clinton, on Friday said he was “very excited” about being invited to the meeting hosted by a pontifical academy. It will put him at the seat of the Roman Catholic Church just four days before the New York primary.

The head of the academy said Thursday that Sanders sought the invitation and that put an inappropriate political cast on the gathering.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the conference Sanders will attend, said in a telephone interview. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly -- not that he will.”

MOre..
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

seaglass~http://www.democraticunderground.com/110794988

Tarheel~

Cha

(297,240 posts)
28. Well, this just broke.. and I think bernie started the rumor that he was invited so the media
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

just went with it.

From what I can gather.. there are quite a few posts on it in Hillary's Group.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
13. What BS did, we prove Hillary’s point - he should do his homework
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

He took some reporters paraphrased comment as fact without reading what she really said.

In my mind, that does make him unqualified.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
14. BS and his big mouth gets him into Big Trouble.. who didn't see that coming?!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016
Now, as I've watched this campaign unfold, I've increasingly had the sense that Weaver is a, maybe the key source of toxicity and cynicism in the Sanders camp, and I suspect doesn't care terribly about the November election if Sanders isn't the standard bearer.

Yeah, Josh has his number, too. Thank you, Josh Marshall!

Thank you for all this, MrWendel.. good job!

Treant

(1,968 posts)
22. My mother calls it
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

your mouth writing a check your butt can't cash.

However, even if Weaver is a source of toxicity, it's Sanders' responsibility to rein him in. Not only is there no evidence of that, there's every indication that Sanders is actually taking his advice.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
23. Oh yeah, it's BS' responsibility all the way.. he hired the ****** and he's keeping him on and
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

following his advice.. right over the cliff.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
32. "Clinton did say Sanders was unqualified. So they'll say it about her. So there! "
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:34 PM
Apr 2016

Reminds me of Pee-wee Herman's childish "I know what you are but what am I?"

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