Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumwhat the hell is going on about Bernie trying to flip delegates at the national convention?-HRC Grp
Email from the campaign
It seems the Sanders campaign is finally seeing the writing on the wall: Hillary has won more votes AND more pledged delegates in this election -- her lead in both is nearly insurmountable.
So this morning, Bernies campaign manager claimed the convention could be an open convention, and declared theyre going to try and flip delegates votes, overturning the will of the voters.
Your vote is your voice, and the Sanders campaign shouldnt be trying to circumvent the process -- or the nearly 9 million (and counting) people who have made their voice heard for Hillary in this election.
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has the Bernie campaign finally lost what few marbles they had left?
do they want to hand the general election to the republicans?
what the hell are they thinking over there?????
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)How do two candidates split the votes and each get less than half?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)cray cray
rock
(13,218 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)From all I have read it seems they are saying if he won the state then they should proportionally represent Bernie. It is aimed at the last several wins where the Super delegates have called their votes before the vote had occurred. Now that it has they are saying perhaps they should change over to represent the people. I personally think they should all remove their names until they vote because the news just keeps messing up counts by pasting it all over. Also HRC was fine with them before but they are fighting over it now that BS is looking at them...so they are just gona be one more thing to fight over.
In the newest interview I did hear talk about them in a contested election, which would be like the republican convention...in that case not sure if they would have to pick one of the two or not or if they pull a third choice...mind blown?
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)he's got the funds to stay in until the convention.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Ok, you just blew my mind? They can only try to win over super delegates...there is no other option... Wait let me just get this straight, it seems you are implying that they are talking about if there is a first vote ends in a tie or if they can't hit the magic number even with the super delegates and then it becomes brokered? At which that point they try to talk to delegates that are unbound and get them to swap? I have seen zero proof of that. Can you post a source? Also if this happens I am not sure if the Dems have a good way out. If that occurred no one could claim one side was stealing delegates, it would be the rule of the system "if" that is even the rules for our party.
William769
(55,147 posts)Use it. You might learn something.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)they are going to hand it over to him. I doubt it. He is universally hated by the entire party. All of those Super Delegates despise him. Why would they lift a finger for him???
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)But that article is what I had read and seen in a few other interviews...
Weaver acknowledged that while super delegates count toward the nomination, they don't officially count until they vote at the convention.
"I think it'll be an interesting Democratic convention," he said.
The Sanders campaign has urged super delegates -- such as party officials or members of Congress -- who have said they support Clinton to follow the sentiment of their voting districts or states, some which may have gone for Sanders.
It is about the movement in the recent states by the local voters to get their Supers to switch. That one means nothing, but no one has really pushed, "would you want them to switch and help the person with a smaller delegate count". I think that is because they want to avoid the Al Gore thing, where several Republicans were worried Gore would lose the popular vote and win the delegate count and started asking him to step down if that happened. When the opposite occurred, everyone of those talking heads completely vanished from the news. The media did a very poor job of following up on it too, only saw one news show ask what happened to that view in the republicans since that would mean GW would have to step down.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Well, I don't want to raise the spectre of PUMA/HillaryorBust, but the Democratic party would be dead. He's going to have to do a hell of a lot during the run up to the election to get my vote. I'd need a pledge that he wouldn't run again in 4 years.
Cha
(297,655 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)As the pundits, talking heads, reporters, journalists and media wonder how he could possibly envision a path to victory, the Sander's campaign has to conjure imaginary ways to do it - or the money will dry up.
Part of our campaign election reform should include steps to prevent predatory solicitation practices exploiting the gullible and naïve when candidates have actually been eliminated except through fanciful manipulations.
This is corruption on a new scale. It's shameful and disgusting.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Has anyone actually found if they are talking about wooing delegates even if they did not get the majority in that state? As for path to victory, they have meet the 538 stats so far so it does seem like there is zero reason to quit. I actually wonder if a mud slinging battle would be best? People react to new news and then once they have a chance to parse it they get a more down to earth response. Not sure what the effects of a full all out battle with all candidates would be like. We may get a better informed electorate at the end or fatigue from the political battle could repress voter turn out.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Democratic primary turnout was 70% Democrat, 27% independent.
Hillary won the Democratic portion of the primary. Hillary is standing tall against Republicans, independents, Hillary Haters and other fringe political groups of all manner.
Sanders will never be the Democratic nominee - his inability to answer basic questions about his own platform confirms his own recognition of this fact.
Now it's just about bringing in money for his campaign to continue.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)This is about what the Bernie campaign is planning with superdelegates. Also not sure about your claim on her winning the majority of Dems? What are your sources? All I see is a 50/50 split. Did you look at the results before they fixed the couple rather large math errors? (the reason it jumped up to 56.6 for Bernie and only one county for Hillary) One interesting note is 28% of Indies voted for her, perhaps she should figure out what attracted them to her message.
Source:
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/wi/Dem
Hekate
(90,793 posts)....they fart glittery rainbows and grant all your wishes.