Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThe sad, unfortunate, and even scary thing about too many of the Bernie supporters:
Last evening I was on a website with a recording of interviews of voters in WI. One Bernie supporter, a young college aged guy, said, "If there wasn't a candidate like Bernie in this race, I probably wouldn't even be voting today."
This is so damn telling, and it is what we see with so many of his supporters, especially the young ones. First, I would say "great" that he's coming out and voting. That's always a good thing. But the ROTTEN thing about this type of voter, and there are TONS of them, is that if they are not TITILLATED by a candidate then they REFUSE to even get off their asses and come vote. Bernie is saying some good things about very needed reforms in our government and society, but he is also peddling great sounding big promises that he knows would be EXTREMELY hard to actually deliver. He is mostly about huge TALKING POINTS, but when pressed for DETAILS, he fumbles and stumbles and just talks about how the "millions of political revolutionaries" are going to protest these things into existence. Now, if this young college aged man won't even vote unless he is hearing big vague pie in the sky promises, then how is he ever going to have the time, energy, and MOTIVATION to engage in a LONG, TOUGH, INVOLVED "political revolution" to enact Bernie's massive agenda???
MANY of Bernie's supporters are understandably frustrated, so he is getting a lot of the "anti-establishment all-emotion frustration vote." But they are NOT committed, long-haul political activists loyal to the Democratic Party who vote CONSISTENTLY and support our longterm goal of beating Republicans up and down the ballot in EVERY election. I have to ask, how many Bernie supporters just went in and voted for Bernie yesterday? Did they vote for Kloppenburg for their Supreme Court? Did they campaign for her? That election had "YUGE" stakes. Doubtful because she just LOST to a right wing Scott Walker-friend asshole named Bradley who was far less qualified. How much work did they do to defeat Scott Walker when he was running in the three elections he won? There has been a TON of reason for them to be ACTIVE and VOTE well before Bernie Sanders came around promising free tuition.
Bernie is doing little to nothing to help other Democrats who can beat Republicans. Is this a "revolution"? There is no REAL "revolution." He is not really putting together a LONGTERM, SUSTAINED, political movement. He is offering a bunch of big great-SOUNDING promises and attractive rhetoric to young folks and frustrated people, but it is VAGUE, and there is no in-depth grasp of all the implications of those promises nor any DETAIL on how he actually plans to ACCOMPLISH the goals other than to say "The millions of revolutionaries will make it happen."
The Bernie folks need to wake up and smell the coffee in a big way. REAL political activism and accomplishing REAL change is about MUCH more than being titillated into the voting booth for one primary election by a candidate merely SAYING things that sound great.
Arkansas Granny
(31,530 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Groups for longer years. A revolution will not get progressive ideas passed, it takes getting Progressives elected to get this done. I would think Sanders would float the idea of together we can achieve.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)ZILCH. ZIP.
His campaign is all about Bernie. The narcissism is impossible to deny.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)unavoidable necessity of electing OTHER Democrats to office.
Perhaps that's because he's not one?
Hello? Bernie? You can't do it all from the Oval Office. And, your daydreamed revolutionaries can't do it either, if the much-detested Democrats don't hold the Congress.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Go ahead and call this old lady sexist, too, if you want. But I am sick and tired of young female voters NOT getting the significance of the real possibility of losing Roe v. Wade. The younger women that I am exposed to are constantly just "meh, it doesn't affect me". Bullshit!
If for NO OTHER REASON, these young people, and yes particularly the young women, need to get out and vote to keep abortion safe, accessible and legal. The Republican intent to make abortion illegal and punish women is a very REAL intent. It is imperative on the rest of us to make sure that does not happen.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I know she claims to be much different than she was in her younger days...I certainly hope that is the case...
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)He is only trying to get the Democratic nomination from a real Democrat. The BSERS most likely will all crawl back in their dorm rooms once he is out of the race.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)"establishment." Can't have it both ways.
Cha
(297,665 posts)Delegates and Super Dels.. and she's still ahead by 2 1/2 Million Votes.
Maybe he and those like him will understand that voting is important in the GE if you don't want a DT running your lives.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)them to the Wikipedia entry for 'political base.' It describes base voters pretty much as the opposite of Sanders' johnny-come-lately supporters.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_(politics)
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)What I said in one short one, a few months back, that got me banned, within short minutes, from the BS Group.
But I was right then and you're right now.
creon
(1,183 posts)He may end up being a member of that group of people who seldom vote.
I am sure that group has been studied.
beaglelover
(3,489 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)If that person has never studied how our system works and didn't wake up until Bernie-the-free-tuition-fairy came around, I'd guess the person has a C minus average.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I am sorry to hear that the Dem nomination for the court LOST against the woman who says birth control is murder. One would think that if any of these so called activists had a SHRED of credibility in activism, that is a vote they would've prioritized, to get the Dem candidate IN the court to replace the Walker selection.
pandr32
(11,614 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)They are voting on sweet sounding talking points that reflect their own frustrations and desires, but that isn't NEARLY enough.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Bernie's agenda enacted nationally? A revolution, a real movement, is SO much more than going to a campaign rally or even voting in a primary. And it is bigger than Bernie Sanders.
Loki
(3,825 posts)I'm thinking of the Anti-War movement, the Civil Rights Movement, the Women's Rights movement.....these all had a base of support from a wide variety of people in this country and they actually encouraged people to become involved, not just for the sake of the "one" but for everyone. This Bernie Sanders movement is a cult of personality without any thought or concern for the greater good or even for the in depth understanding of how any thing that he has proposed will ever be accomplished. Without the support of the Democrats, that he so easily dismisses every time he has the chance, he will never, ever get anything done. Uncompromising when compromise is needed. That not effective governance.