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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:25 AM Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders Lays Out His Requirements For Endorsing Hillary Clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-endorsement_us_56f45bf0e4b014d3fe22b4a7?ir=Politics§ion=us_politics

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) insisted he’ll stay in the presidential race, but outlined conditions under which he would endorse Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton “if I can’t make it.”

Sanders, who badly trails Clinton in delegates for the Democratic nomination, said Wednesday that his chief priorities include making sure the party embraces his anti-establishment platform and expands its base.

“If I can’t make it — and we’re going to try as hard as we can until the last vote is cast — we want to completely revitalize the Democratic Party and make it a party of the people rather than one of large campaign contributors,” Sanders said in an interview on the progressive Web show “The Young Turks.”
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Bernie Sanders Lays Out His Requirements For Endorsing Hillary Clinton (Original Post) Iamaartist Mar 2016 OP
He wants to change the party that he just joined recently bravenak Mar 2016 #1
Exactly! pandr32 Mar 2016 #30
Girl, ain't that some sh*t? Both parties are being held hostage by self absorbed narcissists. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #59
This is unreal. bravenak Mar 2016 #65
My thoughts? We can't capitulate to his demands. jmowreader Mar 2016 #2
agree Iamaartist Mar 2016 #3
When you get down to it it's the same platform only More! Bettah! Bernie! ucrdem Mar 2016 #4
In shorter..... charlyvi Mar 2016 #41
Yeah, pretty much jmowreader Mar 2016 #46
I think most people know that. charlyvi Mar 2016 #49
It's always been my understanding that the Party determines the platform,... MANative Mar 2016 #5
The other candidates who have run have a little to say about the platform, but generally.... George II Mar 2016 #16
Just talk. He'll come around. 6chars Mar 2016 #6
I hope not - I don't want him meddling with OUR Party any longer. George II Mar 2016 #17
Just like... MarianJack Mar 2016 #7
Oh my, now he's threatening with blackmail??? misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #8
Bye Bernie Iamaartist Mar 2016 #10
Lol.. Now there's "A future we can believe in" eh bern? misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #11
lol!! Iamaartist Mar 2016 #12
Love it! livetohike Mar 2016 #18
Love it musicman65 Mar 2016 #29
Blackmail is surely how he's leveraged his senate votes with Dems. displacedtexan Mar 2016 #35
He can demand but it does not cause Congress to pass his demands Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #9
True Iamaartist Mar 2016 #13
Seems there is a HUGE positive correlation Her Sister Mar 2016 #14
And I'm sure Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer are now laying out THEIR requirements to allow him.... George II Mar 2016 #15
By George, you've got it 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #19
This^^^^ CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #25
Boom! That works! pandr32 Mar 2016 #31
Yep! The Democratic Caucus LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #36
He never did understand how this whole things works Rose Siding Mar 2016 #20
Maybe we could defund the F-35 program and do something else with the money. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #21
Imagine all the free stuff one could offer without funding bernie's beloved F-35 instead misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #39
His base with the OWS, ergo the constant ranting about Wall Street, nevermind he has been Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #40
As I've stated before, His is a campaign of slander, lies, theft & deception. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #44
Yep, all in the bed together, if one gets bed bugs then they all have bed bugs. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #48
we always knew Hillary would be on her own against the guards of the glass ceiling misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #52
And they are afraid the strong woman will make the right decisions. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #53
And she will. And she'll demand & expect compromise. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #58
Two weeks after he drops out it's going to be "Bernie Who?" fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #22
We already have one bully in this race... Satch59 Mar 2016 #23
On principle MSMITH33156 Mar 2016 #24
Spot on..I have seen the same plageristic tendencies from him misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #43
Dems Iamaartist Mar 2016 #50
I've only heard Z E R O. But he sure has helped himself to plenty. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #56
Probably not speaking gigs. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #70
Just how I feel..... Iamaartist Mar 2016 #51
After reading the article and his demands he doesn't have to worry about ever endorsing HRC. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #26
we'll see. However, the issues he is talking about won't go anywhere without Congress, so perhaps still_one Mar 2016 #27
I know he's already attempted to introduce single payer. It went nowhere. jmowreader Mar 2016 #45
as long as the house is made up the way it is for sure still_one Mar 2016 #64
I wonder if any candidate has the guts to tell the American electorate the real truth. fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #66
He can demand all he wants musicman65 Mar 2016 #28
He is trying to negotiate creon Mar 2016 #32
For this thread Gothmog Mar 2016 #33
+1000 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #63
Beautiful graphic! bellicosecello Mar 2016 #69
Cartoon Iamaartist Mar 2016 #34
It does't matter what he wants. It's important that he is starting to wrap up his campaign. Walk away Mar 2016 #37
Other than the Senate Democratic Caucus LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #38
If this was the case, this is the right way to do things not demands !!!! Iamaartist Mar 2016 #42
but but The Revoluushon! what'll he tell the kids? misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #47
There is no chance they dont come to an agreement and he doesn't support her, none. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #54
Or start his own independent run Iliyah Mar 2016 #60
Ok! Her Sister Mar 2016 #62
#BernedOut SFnomad Mar 2016 #55
Yup. flame to a flicker & a mere puff of smoke. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #57
IMPRESSED!!! Her Sister Mar 2016 #61
Is suing those you steal from one of his demands? Politicub Mar 2016 #67
Deflecting blame. that's all its about. His entire campaign has been run like a TeaParty takeover misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #68
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. He wants to change the party that he just joined recently
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:35 AM
Mar 2016

And we are supposed to just let him control our party even though he "badly trails Clinton in delegates".

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
30. Exactly!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:23 AM
Mar 2016

He is so full of himself it makes me turn the sound off the TV when it cuts to a segment that has him talking. I've had about enough of him lecturing at every opportunity and dictating how everything needs to happen. Blah-blah blah!

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
2. My thoughts? We can't capitulate to his demands.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:43 AM
Mar 2016

From the article:

Sanders also listed policy demands he would make of Clinton, including a single-payer health care system, a $15 an hour minimum wage, tougher regulation of the finance industry, closing corporate tax loopholes and “a vigorous effort to address climate change.”


In short, "if you want my endorsement you have to throw away your platform and embrace mine." The problem is, Bernie's platform will kill the chances of any politician that endorses it.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. When you get down to it it's the same platform only More! Bettah! Bernie!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:21 AM
Mar 2016

So it should be an easy deal. On the other hand his shtick is basically "I'm not Hillary or Barack Obama" and I'm not expecting him to change his spots. It will be nice if he does though.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
46. Yeah, pretty much
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

And I think that's really been his intention all along.

When Hillary hits somewhere around 2100 to 2200 delegates (in a combination of pledged and super) Bernie may issue another ultimatum: this is what you have to do to keep me from running as Jill Stein's vice-president. At that time I don't know what we should do. Stein/Sanders is capable of splitting the Democratic vote in enough states to put Trump in the White House - and in any state he was strong in the primaries, he could definitely do it. We can't give in to the demands of terrorists, we can't arrest the son-of-a-bitch and we can't get the Green Party decertified. And more to the point, we CAN'T let Donald Trump within a hundred miles of the Oval Office!

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
49. I think most people know that.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

And I honestly don't think enough people will vote Green to give Trump the advantage. He is so toxic to our nation that good sense will prevail. Just as it did when Hill's supporters moved to Obama in '08. Under 30's are notorious for not voting. They are unreliable as Bernie has found out during this primary. Most of all, though, I don't think Bernie would run as ANYONE'S veep. His ego would not stand being second to Stein. He's an Independent for a reason. He would have to support her agenda, not his own. And I honestly think his agenda is more in line with Hillary than the Greens. I read the Green party platform. Fantasyland. A nice fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless. I think Bernie is a bit more practical than that. My guess is he'll go home to Vermont where he is the king of his kingdom so to speak. I don't think he'll endorse Hillary; that might make his Senate career a bit bumpy, but it would leave him with his political purity, which is his stock in trade.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
5. It's always been my understanding that the Party determines the platform,...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:47 AM
Mar 2016

guided by the nominee's policy positions. And since when does the loser of a contest get to dictate its terms? I've liked and respected Bernie for a long time, but some of his recent antics have diminished him in my view.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. The other candidates who have run have a little to say about the platform, but generally....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:43 AM
Mar 2016

....they've already been involved in the Party. I wouldn't be surprised if O'Malley has more to say about the platform than Sanders. He's been an accomplished Democrat for a lot longer than Sanders has.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
7. Just like...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:17 AM
Mar 2016

...when Willard advised President Obama to adopt HIS policies after getting his ass kicked 4 years ago!

PEACE!

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
8. Oh my, now he's threatening with blackmail???
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:49 AM
Mar 2016

WTF is he even about anymore? Any message he once had is now morphed into blackmail for his endorsement & threats of lawsuits that never go anywhere once the grandstanding is over.
With the FEC riding his tail, & expecting some answers, it appears sanders whole campaign has lost what moral compass it may have began with.

Unbelievably FUBAR
Seriously, He's publicly blackmailing HRC for his endorsement?
What would his endorsement actually mean, that his fans will suddenly support Hillary & vote for her because bernie said so?

Ahem..ya like when he also asked them to stop being a*holes on social media..
Hillary can tell bernie to kiss it because his grandstanding Blackmail ploy is like the last gasp of a dying campaign.

Maybe he thought it made him sound really tough or something


displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
35. Blackmail is surely how he's leveraged his senate votes with Dems.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

Dems have needed his votes up until now. With the senate poised to turn back to blue, hopefully Bernie won't be able to demand committee chairs and other "perks" for his votes. It's a political party, not ransom negotiators.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. He can demand but it does not cause Congress to pass his demands
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:50 AM
Mar 2016

And he can call for the protests, time will tell if that works.

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. And I'm sure Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer are now laying out THEIR requirements to allow him....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

...back into the Democratic caucus.

It takes chutzpah to be making demands on our eventual nominee.

This is just another display of his arrogance that he's had since he got into congress.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
19. By George, you've got it
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

If we take back the Senate, they can tell Bernie to just sit down and shut up. If he wants to vote with his new GOP allies, fine, let him reveal his true colors.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
25. This^^^^
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:09 AM
Mar 2016

I'm tired of Bernie - his most enthusiastic supporters are not and will never be Democrats. Regardless if he comes around to supporting Hillary, if he remains an independent he should be marginalized in the Senate. Let's see if he like caucusing with himself.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
36. Yep! The Democratic Caucus
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:02 PM
Mar 2016

will also be deciding what committee and position they will assign him. Not any top choice positions. That's for sure.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
39. Imagine all the free stuff one could offer without funding bernie's beloved F-35 instead
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:15 PM
Mar 2016

Of course the Wall St MIC investors, much like the Wall St NRA, might have a problem with that, but..oh well.

Bernie. Voting for weapons & bombers & feeding the killing machines & those big oligarch investors around the world.
And the only means to pay for his free stuff is to tax the max out of thise who already pay too much.

What if I personally do not want my tax $$ increased just because bernie owes his weapons pals more favors than he owes the tax payers.

He's a liar and a con.
We are being fed another trickle down heap of b.s. A useless policy plan, that burdens the tax payer while his Wall St pals, the builders of killing machines, remain untouched.
His promises are looking more like political slight of hand.

One begins to wonder just who he's campaigning on behalf of. Its not sounding like its the tax payer.
Many voters have heard nothing else from bernie to make them believe otherwise.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
40. His base with the OWS, ergo the constant ranting about Wall Street, nevermind he has been
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:21 PM
Mar 2016

fund raising with the firms from Wall Street, his connection to Lockheed Martin, Ben and Jerry's and other shows he is tied to the corporations, meetings with lobbyists of corporations, NRA, the list goes on. But Hillary represented Wall Street and any connection she has is wrong but Bernie has been there also. Just be honest about the connections.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
44. As I've stated before, His is a campaign of slander, lies, theft & deception.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

Straight outta the Koch's John Bircher/Libertarian playbook. And Yes, they are both one & the same, under the funding of the biggest oligarchs in town. The Koch Bros.
I have seen nothing but this pattern of behavior since his campaign began.
Who's bernie really campaigning on behalf of?
Its become obvious and we now know why.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
52. we always knew Hillary would be on her own against the guards of the glass ceiling
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:34 PM
Mar 2016

Bless her heart. She is the brightest, strongest, most determined person I have ever known.
And why we proudly stand with her, in it to the Oval Office.
That is the only path to busting the gridlock in DC..it begins & ends with Sec Hillary Clinton, once & for all.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
58. And she will. And she'll demand & expect compromise.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

Something that's apparently quite difficult for the good old boys club.
If this nation ever needed a mom to step in & demand the boys clean up their filthy room, it is now.
Boys, that's the problem.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
22. Two weeks after he drops out it's going to be "Bernie Who?"
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:54 AM
Mar 2016

The American public doesn't have time or patience for this crap.

BTW, anyone else think that the turks are a leftie FOX? I can't stand the innuendo and eye-winks that they call "reporting."

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
23. We already have one bully in this race...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:59 AM
Mar 2016

This will not wear well on Bernie...he already has stoked anger in his supporters...now he wants bully demands? Doesn't jive with being a democrat in my book.

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
24. On principle
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:08 AM
Mar 2016

he can go stuff it. The loser doesn't dictate the party platform, the winner does.

But, what he is actually demanded is basically what she has advocated for as well. Notice he didn't come in with his free college stuff. The single payer thing is a little fuzzy, because Hillary wants to do something realistic, like expand and strengthen Obamacare. But most of his demand list is just things that she would want anyway.

And I think he listed those intentionally so that he could exit and say, "see, I lost but we wouldn't be talking about all these things if it wasn't for me."

I have noticed this out of him, where he adopts her long-held positions, pretends he invented them, and then accuses her of copying him. I assume this will be more of that.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
43. Spot on..I have seen the same plageristic tendencies from him
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:50 PM
Mar 2016

He has moved along from State to State honing his non-message to parallel Sec Clintons.

From stolen data to grow his voter & funding base, to stealing her quotes..
Sec Clinton 12/08/215 in response to Donald Trumps assailing of all Muslims:



Bernie has moved through his campaign, not so much defining himself , but rather by simply riding the long comfy coattails of Hillary Clinton's long and remarkably successful career. Taking what she has earned and selling it as his own.
He has given N O T H I N G back to the Dem Party.
Grifting as he goes. Typical mantra of the Koch's, John Bircher/Libertarian owned TeaParty.

He would be a disaster as a leader if the great USA.
And foreign policy? He has none. Why is he in this 2016 campaign anyway..or rather, WHO is he in it for.
Its not the American taxpayers. Nor to make decisions on critical foreign policy.
He wants to gut the Affordable Care Act & start over.
So we're back to nothing until he can spend the next 4+ years asking the same obstructionist Congress to give him something else. Well I call bull crap on all these issues.
Mr revolution becomes all talk with no real sound policy plan.
Who is Bernie really in this race, on behalf of.
Well its certainly not the Dem Party nor the American taxpayer.

Thanks for the protected space to rant.








misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
56. I've only heard Z E R O. But he sure has helped himself to plenty.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

As bernie himself said, " Media & Money".
How ever he had to acquire those gifts.
This is who he really is.
Why on earth would anyone want a person like that leading our great nation.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
27. we'll see. However, the issues he is talking about won't go anywhere without Congress, so perhaps
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

if he doesn't win the nomination, and he goes back to the Senate, he should be introducing his pet projects through Congress, since that is where it would need to occur.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
45. I know he's already attempted to introduce single payer. It went nowhere.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

Like it or not, an enhanced Obamacare that fixes the problems inherent in the current law (such as the income gap between being required to buy health insurance and being able to afford to use it) is about as good as we're going to get. Is it perfect? No, a National Health Service-style healthcare system, where the system belonged to the government and its employees were civil service workers, would be much better - but it's also completely incapable of being implemented.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
66. I wonder if any candidate has the guts to tell the American electorate the real truth.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

If they really wanted to cut health care costs by a $trillion and more per year, and save millions of more lives doing it they should advocate and facilitate changing our diets to a vegan one.

I can only imagine the heads exploding.

creon

(1,183 posts)
32. He is trying to negotiate
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:27 AM
Mar 2016

His demands mean next to nothing.
His demands consist of laws that need to be passed by both Houses of Congress.
Clinton can promise him the sun, moon and stars. It is Congress that will deliver on those promises, not Clinton.

He knows all that.

He may be trying to set out a maximum position vis a vis Clinton; and/or, playing to his audience.

We shall see how this plays out; Clinton may come to the Convention with the delegates she needs.
If that happens, Sanders has no negotiating position.

It is very unlikely that the Democrats will get control of the HoR. Result: gridlock.

bellicosecello

(22 posts)
69. Beautiful graphic!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

I can't express how disappointed I am in Sen. Sanders. He has in Hillary a true example of how to work for the Democratic party. I do hope his supporters take note of his selfishness. His My Way or Highway attitude is horrible for the Democratic party and it seems that I was wrong about Sen. Sanders being an honorable man.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
37. It does't matter what he wants. It's important that he is starting to wrap up his campaign.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:09 PM
Mar 2016

He has to make like a big man for his faithful followers.

Even though we may hate it, Hillary is going to be nice and help him save face. That's politics.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
38. Other than the Senate Democratic Caucus
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

he has not been part of the Democratic Party. And he is making demands of Hillary for his endorsement?

He isn't even close in votes or delegates to make those demands.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
42. If this was the case, this is the right way to do things not demands !!!!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:37 PM
Mar 2016

When you lose you congratulate your opponent and endorse, her then maybe work on a platform together, as partners not demands before......

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
47. but but The Revoluushon! what'll he tell the kids?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Appears Sec Clinton, in all her grace & diplomacy having dealt with bigger, badass revolutionaries than bernie sanders, will hand his ego a token to save face & move on.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
54. There is no chance they dont come to an agreement and he doesn't support her, none.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's job is to make her give in just enough so he can credibly do so and she will

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
55. #BernedOut
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016
Sanders also listed policy demands he would make of Clinton, including a single-payer health care system, ...

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
67. Is suing those you steal from one of his demands?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:21 PM
Mar 2016

Cause that's what he just did.

Got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and sued the one who caught him at it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
68. Deflecting blame. that's all its about. His entire campaign has been run like a TeaParty takeover
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

And the Big Money Kochs couldn't be prouder. It worked with the GOP & why not try it with the Dems.

Except Hillary is no lightweight with this stuff. She's known them all for 25+ yrs.
Good luck guys.
Ask Gowdy how his grand maneuver worked out.



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