Howard Dean Fed up with Bernie supporting cyber bullies and negative campaign tactics against HRC w

[riversedge]

Thank you


Howard Dean Verified account
?@GovHowardDean

Sorry to disappoint. Fed up with Bernie supporting cyber bullies and negative campaign tactics against HRC who I like and respect

[Cha]

1. I hope more and more keep speaking out so at some point they're held accountable.

Thank you, Dean!

Mahalo rivers!

[asjr]

18. I am so sick of people who write terrible things about Hillary Clinton. I do not know if they are

being paid to do this or not, but it so horrible it turns my stomach.

[The Far Left]

44. Paid Lobbyist Howard Dean Now Opposes Single Payer Health Care

Here's where you can find the evidence:

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/

Dean abandoned us.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. Bullshit. Gov. Dean is pragmatic. Single-payer is not going to happen in this country, and he knows

it and maybe it's time you do, too.

A Public Option is preferable. But single-payer? France has the BEST health care and health care insurance, rated numero uno in the world, and they don't have single-payer. They have something like ObamaCare.

What should that tell you?

[The Far Left]

63. France is largely single payer.

All of the payments are highly regulated. It is more like 99% single payer with an average 30% deductible tax for those who can afford it for minor treatments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France

Dean could be liability in the general election. But I like your spin. Dean should use it to defend his positions (unless it would cost him his job).

But if Hillary campaigns with Dean in the general then the GOP will attack Dean for his apparent hypocrisy.

[BlueCaliDem]

73. Single-payer failed in France, it's why 90-92% buy supplemental health insurance.

There are only TWO countries that have a true single-payer system: Canada and Taiwan.

So no. No spin. I'm too pragmatic for that and leave the spinning to Bernie supporters and Republicans.

Single-payer liberals don't understand the problem in our health care system. It isn't about cheaper insurance premiums (the major rationale why single-payer proponents want single-payer in this country). It's about bringing down prices on drugs (big Pharma), doctor fees, and medical treatments.

From the WaPo link:

Data gathered by the International Federation of Health Plans show that an MRI costs, on average, $1,121 in the United States and $363 in France. An appendectomy costs $13,851 in the United States and $4,782 in Switzerland. A birth by cesarean section costs $3,676 in the United States and $606 in Canada. A bottle of Nexium -- a common acid-reflux drug -- costs $202 in the United States and $32 in Britain.

The Washington Post gets it just right in their exposé that you can read in its entirety here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/01/13/what-liberals-get-wrong-about-single-payer/

I hope that helped clear it up for you.

[The Far Left]

74. Single Payer vs Universal Guaranteed Health Care

Functionally we are just talking about semantics.

The only difference is in the regulations in the middle and the corporate welfare we give insurers. Most countries prohibit the sale of primary care insurance, if I am not mistaken....

I wouldn't trust WAPO. Bezos bought it in 2014. He is the world's 4th richest person and one of the world's worst employers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos#Criticism

And, as health care costs rise, insurers take a bigger cut.

[BlueCaliDem]

75. The 90-92% of French buying supplemental health coverage are buying from private insurance co's.

They have universal guaranteed health care, just like the United States, thanks to ObamaCare.

I believe SOME countries prohibit selling health care, not most, and that's probably in the two countries that have single-payer.

I don't trust WaPo, but I don't shoot the messenger right off bat, either. However, I trust the International Federation of Health Plans and their numbers.

As I showed in the excerpt in my previous post, health care costs, doctor salaries, and special medical treatments costs in the United States FAR EXCEEDS any in other countries. This has got to change because that's the problem.

[The Far Left]

85. The deductibles prevent most care for average workers.

I think the Veteran's Administration is pretty good at negotiating costs with providers. Other countries do that better than we do.

Medicare for all would be the simplest way to implement guaranteed primary care for all Americans. If you want special care above that then buy premium supplemental care, or have your employer provide that as your bonus.





http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/take-2-does-free-market-hold-down-healthcare-costs

[BlueCaliDem]

90. First and foremost, we need to drive the prices down. They're outrageous in this country.

If we don't drive those down to be fairer, we won't get anywhere.

The costs for care in this country is far too high, but only Hillary is talking about it. She wants to make Big Pharma lower their prices and lower costs for medical treatments. Why should we pay over $3,000 for a cesarean while in France it only costs $303 dollars? There's no excuse for that.

Medicine in the U.S. is outrageous, too. The same medicine we buy here for $300 a pill, for example, you can buy in Germany for $10. Believe it or not, Bill O'Reilly was reporting about that back in 2001.

Both of these need to be lowered, which would help, but it's going to be really tough to get doctors to take a large pay cut. They've got old student loans to pay AND they want to be a millionaire in five years time, so good luck with that.


Medi-Cal in California tried to cut doctor fees and costs to treatments with the result that more and more doctors and dentists refused Medi-Cal patients. Not everyone can buy supplemental insurance and it's a hassle. I believe Hillary's plan to add a public option to the PPACA is a better deal. That way, the Public Option can include expanded Medi-Caid so buying supplemental health insurance would be unnecessary since it's built in.

I just don't believe single-payer is feasible.

[The Far Left]

100. A Simple Medicare Option That Is Not Means Tested Is OK

"Medicaid" is means tested, so the GOP would eventually water it down to nothing.

But the quality of US universal care should be no less than the basic care provided by most other industrialized nations. And we should get rid of the parts A, B, C, and D, and simply call it Medicare For All.

Nearly all other industrialized nations can provide paid higher level education, many weeks of paid time off for vacations, or child care, and guaranteed health care for everyone, so can we.

[Hoyt]

103. The drug cost is way off. I can go to any drug store and by Nexium, prescription

strength for $25 for a month's supply. Similar with Prevacid.

I've also seen companies of high dollar drugs like those for Hep C. We pay about 20% more than other countries.

We can correct that by the government negotiating drug prices.

[The Far Left]

109. Prices Don't Include The Middleman

Let's assume that US prices somehow match the International average (like that will ever happen). The insurance companies (essentially bankers) will still take their cut, at least 15%.

And insurance can only be sold when there is a risk of not being covered. A pretty perverse incentive for health insurance lobbyists isn't it?

The simple solution is the cost effective solution:

Make decent health care a human right for anyone in America.

Support Medicare for all.

[Hoyt]

110. Insurance companies are paying less than me. And under Obamacare it helps hold premiums down.

A lot needs to change in our healthcare system, but we ought to be dealing with accurate info.

[SharonClark]

91. So you're speaking for the GOP now?

I suggest you get out of the Hillary Group before you prove Dean's point.

[Hekate]

81. You just keep shoveling that barnyard byproduct, but it won't make it true.

Now exit the Hillary Clinton group with all deliberate speed.

[SharonClark]

88. Your source is The Intercept? What a frigging joke.

I suggest you get out of the Hillary Group before you prove Dean's point.

[Thinkingabout]

3. All of the cyber bullies will not stop Hillary, it only makes her

Supporters stronger, bullies try to control others, we do not bend to bullies.

[leftofcool]

6. Exactly right! Democrats are not going to back down!

[Her Sister]

10. well said!

agree with you absolutely! Thank you

[wryter2000]

87. The bullies switched me from undecided to supporting Hillary

What as it Ghandi said about Christianity? Something like the religion almost got him until he met some of its supporters.

I was pretty neutral and just hoped our candidate would win the general. But after some of the manure I've seen posted here, I'm in for Hillary all the way.

[Thinkingabout]

98. Thanks for supporting Hillary.

[Cha]

113. I've seen that happen more than a few times. Thank you, wryter!

[fleabiscuit]

116. One of us...one of us...one of us...

[wryter2000]

123. Yup

Here's to Super Tuesday!

[livetohike]

4. Thank you Dr. Dean. Recognize it for what it is. n/t

👍

[leftofcool]

5. I hope someone directs Dr. Dean and others to the petition.

[riversedge]

64. Here--we ALL can tweet him.....

@GovHowardDean Hold Bernie Sanders Accountable for Bullying by his Supporters http://www.thepetitionsite.com/764/816/067/hold-bernie-sanders-accountable-for-bullying-by-his-supporters/ #ImWithHer #Hillary4Florida

[greymouse]

7. what a joke

I volunteered for Howard, sorry to say, and he's gone over to the dark side. There's nothing bullying about pointing out that someone who wants to be President is a chronic liar, incompetent in foreign affairs, etc. If Hillary and her surrogates are going to whine about people pointing that out, perhaps she should consider changing her behavior. I don't see Howard calling her out for lying her head off about Bernie. At least Bernie supporters are telling the truth.

[Thinkingabout]

8. You are in the Hillary group, this is not a forum

[quickesst]

12. I read a post the other day...

... by a Sanders supporter who was complaining about the number of people that were banned from the Hillary Clinton group. The obvious reason for that is clear. Y'all just can't stop yourself from coming in here and starting shit.

[Stuckinthebush]

15. Really odd, isn't it?

I don't go in the Bernie group looking for Fights. People who come here to disrupt see themselves as Bernie warriors. In actuality they are just jerks.

[quickesst]

83. Exactly

That tally is a sure-fire way to determine which group has the most goobers in it. I think I went in Bernie's group once, and immediately self deleted when I realized where I was at. Funny that it only took me one time to have the wherewithal to not post there again.

[Cha]

29. It's really none of their business is it? If they don't want to get blocked then stay away.

[quickesst]

84. Yep

It's that simple.

[fleabiscuit]

117. Hammer time captain!

[Cha]

120. John Henry! lol

[riversedge]

17. You must have missed all the bully comments in

GD-P. No truth in Sanders supporters who constantly smear a Democratic Presidential candidate on a so-called Democratic board.

[Maru Kitteh]

118. And GD.

I swear, you could make a post about having a flat bicycle tire and some asshole with Clinton Derangement Syndrome would find a way to blame it on Hillary.

[leftofcool]

21. This is the Hillary group and you are not welcome here.

Take your complaints to GDPee

[Cha]

27. Is that what you think reality is.. a joke? Dean is among many leaders who are speaking

out against the ugliness.

[spooky3]

28. Why are you confusing opinions with facts?

"Pointing out" implies that you think you are teaching the other person what reality is. But you really are just giving your opinion--which may be poorly substantiated.

[Her Sister]

40. yes I am pointing out that blue is the best color

[SharonClark]

92. Another Bernie stalker proves Dean's point

I suggest you get out of the Hillary Group and whine over at the GD-P.

[Her Sister]

9. Thank You Howard Dean! yeah!

[Trust Buster]

11. Even Bill Maher commented on their attacks against Elizabeth Warren.

I though on Friday night in Chicago, we watched extremism meet extremism.

[leftofcool]

22. And did you see where the protesters blocked an ambulance?

[Trust Buster]

26. No, I didn't. Please enlighten me.

.

[leftofcool]

33. You will find it on UTube. I am not going to link to it here.

The Twitter page it came from is full of Trump supporters so I won't link to it. Just Google it and you will find it.

[Trust Buster]

35. Wow. Thanks. I saw the video. Totally in-humane behavior.

.

[pandr32]

60. Most young people have been raised with Fox News

...and have grown up with Clinton hate. It has never occurred to them that it has all been propaganda meant to destroy Bill Clinton's amazing record, and any chance Hillary Clinton has to take the Presidency.

[DemonGoddess]

14. Thank you Howard Dean!

[benld74]

16. Who does Dean work for now?

[riversedge]

19. Lets be clear--YOU are in the HIllary Grp and Dean is a Hillary surrogate when

he tweets. bye

[leftofcool]

23. This is the Hillary group. You can leave now.

[benld74]

77. I know where I am

Just asked a question

Geez!😖

[Cha]

121. You asked a question that had Nothing to do with the OP.. next time if you want to post

in here.. keep the focus on what the OP is pertaining to.. which was..

"Howard Dean Fed up with Bernie supporting cyber bullies and negative campaign tactics against HRC"

[edhopper]

24. if you can believe it

this OP was alerted.

On Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:21 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Howard Dean Fed up with Bernie supporting cyber bullies and negative campaign tactics against HRC w
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110771572

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

He endorsed Hillary and this is an untrue statement. IF this had been open to debate in GD-P there would be no alert.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:25 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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[Loki]

30. They are stalking us even in our own group.

How do we put a stop to this?

[edhopper]

32. you don't

you just have faith that the members of DU will see it for what it is and act accordingly, as we did here.

Stay on the high road and let things play out. In the end this is just people saying stuff on the Internet.

Let's focus on the real world and make sure a Dem is elected.

[Cha]

31. See this Mr Skinner.

[Iliyah]

104. I can believe it and the nonsense with some of the comments.

Bullying is bullying even from the left.

[BlueMTexpat]

25. Do you think that Dean

meant "Bernie-supporting cyber bullies ...." as opposed to Bernie actually supporting the actions of the cyber bullies?

Punctuation makes all the difference. Much as I loathe Bernie-supporting cyber bullies and their tactics - many are here on DU - I really do not believe that Bernie himself supports such actions and I don't believe that is what Dean meant.

I am glad that Dean spoke out. But now the cyber bullies will simply step up their attacks. What they really need is a definite smack-down from Bernie himself. The more he delays, the more he tacitly endorses those attacks, IMO.

[Her Sister]

41. Bernie must be aware of it

When Elizabeth Warren is bullied and thrown under the bus . How is it possible for Bernie not knowing!?

Bern the witch was in the news! How does he not know about this !?

[LisaM]

102. And I had friends who felt Sanders had no responsibility for that

Really? Doesn't his web page have guidelines?

[BlueMTexpat]

108. I agree that it is sickening.

I've had enough of it here on DU that I am finally trashing GD-P altogether and putting anyone on Ignore who replies to me and wants to parade their vast ignorance, snarks and sneers as expertise.

It is interesting with all these back-and-forth taunts between Bernie and Drumpf in the press today. There is indeed a small subset of Bernie supporters who are exactly like Drumpf's. The irony is that they don't even recognize that.

While I still don't believe that Bernie actively supports their actions, the fact that he has not strongly condemned them outright is very telling - and frightening.

[Sunsky]

34. I totally agree

I'm glad that somebody found the courage to speak up. They're not helping their cause and will be seen as just disruptive.

[still_one]

36. He isn't the only one

[mcar]

37. Would you like some tea under the bus

Governor?

[oasis]

38. This tiresome, juvenile behavior will come to a halt very soon. nt

[99Forever]

39. How far you've fallen Howie.

You've made me regret ever supporting you and now you've taken on the mantle of playing the victim just like the liar you endorsed for the nomination.


Shame on you.

[Her Sister]

42. yes don't vote for Howard

very sad moment for you indeed. Condolences!!

[99Forever]

58. Ahhh, isn't that...

... condescending clap trap so very fucking special?


Bless your heart.

[Her Sister]

61. lol!

[SharonClark]

93. Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black

You can get out of the Hillary Group now.

[DemonGoddess]

43. You need to move on

out of this group. This is a PRIVATE group for Hillary Clinton supporters.

[great white snark]

48. Yet you can't control yourself and stay away.

I will thoroughly enjoy your watching your 8 year long tantrum while Hillary is President.

[Her Sister]

51. this!

[SharonClark]

96. Agree

[NastyRiffraff]

67. You are in the Hillary Clinton Group

Please go away. And stay away.

[99Forever]

59. Frankly dear...

I don't give a damn.

[72DejaVu]

72. Thanks for proving Dean's point.

[Cha]

115. It shows.

[Cha]

111. Nope, not Dean who's "fallen".. it's all the ugliness that he's calling out. Dean is a good man.

And, if he's under some metaphorical bus with the BS fans.. he is in excellent company!

[Major Nikon]

45. Nothing to scream about

[Cha]

112. Oh? Who's screaming? No one. Thankfully Dean is calling out the ugliness.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

54. Another thrown under the bus

What is it about adult civilized behavior you don't get?

[Blue Idaho]

55. Thank you

For emptying your ashtray here in the Hillary Clinton Group - and for confirming his general thesis.

[Sienna86]

49. Howard Dean sold his soul

Sorry to see this.

[Blue Idaho]

52. Cuz

It couldn't possibly be that his supporters are the most annoying group of people you are ever likely to meet.

[yardwork]

62. We're being alert stalked.

I was juror #4.

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[Blue Idaho]

69. Hilarious!

So much for protecting free speech.

[Iliyah]

105. Oh for pete's sake. The Ist Amendment?

If this is the revolution, I don't want any part of it.

[SharonClark]

95. Sold his soul for pointing out bad behavior by Bernie supporters?

Go whine elsewhere and get out of the Hillary Group.

[Cha]

107. No, Dean is speaking out against the ugliness.. how in the world could that be

"selling out his soul"?

At one point you have to use common sense.

[Her Sister]

50. wow Howard Dean hit a nerve!

[Bernblu]

56. And we're fed up with Howard Dean!

A man who sold out to the Health Insurance industry.

[NastyRiffraff]

68. You are in the Hillary Clinton Group

Please leave. And don't come back.

[riversedge]

76. More Shameful shoving good Democrats under the Bernie bus

[SharonClark]

97. Geez Louise you're pathetic

Howard Dean has done more to advance progressive issues than Bernie ever dreamed of doing. Now, get out of the Hillary Group.

[Cha]

122. Dean is calling out the cyber bullies.. nothing wrong with that.

[William769]

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[riversedge]

65. I had to chuckle at

#5. silly silly

[Blue Idaho]

70. Another example

Of how the jury system is being gamed by those who do not value free speech.

#intolerant.

[DeeRex]

71. It's All Good, Though

This is what happens when people know their candidate is gonna lose. I have a toddler at home; he behaves the same way when he can't get his way ('cause he knows Mom's gonna win, in the end).

[wryter2000]

89. Welcome to DU

We're not at our best right now. I hope you stick around until things improve.

[SharonClark]

99. LOL at juror#5's expanation

NO sense of irony or self reflection. Just a lot of self-righteousness.

[riversedge]

66. Tweet this back to Howard Dean

If you want to.
Also can change the hashtags if you want


@GovHowardDean Hold Bernie Sanders Accountable for Bullying by his Supporters http://www.thepetitionsite.com/764/816/067/hold-bernie-sanders-accountable-for-bullying-by-his-supporters/ #ImWithHer #Hillary4Florida

[Politicub]

78. I'm sick of the bullying tactics that Sanders supporters employ on DU

They don't see it, or at least they won't admit to being the bullies they are.

It is frustrating when they get away with it, though.

[Andy823]

79. They just don't care

Now I honestly think that there are a lot of right wing trolls stirring things up around here. Sadly some here on DU who have been gullible enough to buy into the the right wing crap, just don't care anymore. They can't see the truth because of the brainwashing done to them by the trouble makers. There are however a lot of "REAL" Bernie supporters who don't go down the trash, bash, and doom and gloom road. They post positive things instead of constant negative bull like the stuff we see everyday over on the GDP forum. The vast majority of those posting on GDP are not really who they claim to be, and really don't want any Democrat in the WH.

[zixiofix]

119. Or Paid Shills for Super PACs

Again, seems like the most obvious thing, but I work in high-tech marketing and what marketers do is pay people to write fake negative or positive reviews of products. Yelp is completely "gamed" this way. I don't really think politics is much different. It's one big marketing/media game and it would certainly benefit super pacs and campaigns more than individuals if positive Hillary posts and/or negative Sanders posts were alerted and hid from other Hillary supporters in this group.

[SunSeeker]

80. Thank you Dr. Dean!!

[Hekate]

82. Reading thru this thread and godsdammit it is being trolled hard & stalked

JURY: Count the number of disruptors yourself , please. This is a GROUP, not GDP. The OP was even alerted on.

[wryter2000]

86. Haven't you heard?

DU hates Howard Dean now.

I wish I could say that was sarcasm. You can tell by some of the replies in this thread that's what we've come to.

Dr. Dean

[DesertRat]

94. Thank you, Gov. Dean!

[SharonClark]

101. Thank you Howard Dean

Good to know someone has our back.

[Iliyah]

106. Dean you are the man

[NurseJackie]

124. Under the bus? (Again?)