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The loss in Michigan is a shock mostly because it was so unexpected - either the polls were wrong or the tide changed at the last moment. But the bottom line is that the loss did not fundamentally change the race except to motivate people like me to send Hillary even more money. This should be a wake up call to donate what you can, time or money to the campaign.
The race is fundamentally the same. Even if Sanders would do well in the other rust belt states, he will most likely do no more than split their delegates as he did in Michigan. Meanwhile Hillary will win be larger margins and more delegates other states. One thing good about splitting states proportionally, it makes it damn hard to catch up once your opponent has a good lead.
In addition, Michigan taught the Clinton team a valuable lesson - not only for the primaries but also for the GE. I think they will be much better going forward for having learned it.
Even with the very narrow loss in Michigan, Hillary pulled further ahead in the delegate count. Even if Hillary and Sanders were split the remaining delegates, which isn't going to happen, Sanders would still lose because the Super Delegates would have an excuse not to change sides and would make the difference
It is just going to be a longer slog than some of us thought.
I pity the Sanders supporters who will now be motivated to throw even more of their money down on a losing cause.
Cajun
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)in it for the long haul. I believe I have $50 to spare..
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Seriously? You really support a candidate who supports fracking? Something so poisonous to our Earth? Sorry but the last debate between Hillary and Bernie was very, very telling.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Enjoy your stay.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)agitator here
Cha
(297,516 posts)fixing my supper.. got to keep up my strength.
Mahalo!
madaboutharry
(40,218 posts)Cha
(297,516 posts)She is an experienced, knowledgeable, determined leader who will win the White House.
She doesn't just promise things.. she knows how to get them done..
And, yes the debate was very telling.
madaboutharry
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madaboutharry
(40,218 posts)It will be awful if this drags on until then.
radical noodle
(8,012 posts)147 delegates for Hillary to Bernie's 74 there.
Thanks. Sorry I forgot.
radical noodle
(8,012 posts)it was a good thing!
Cha
(297,516 posts)We already WON Texas!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Sorry.
I work at night, I hardly get to see the news.
Cha
(297,516 posts)Cha
(297,516 posts)understandable shock.
This is what Hillary has to say tonight..
Friend --
While we wait for results from a close race in Michigan, I wanted to take a moment to say thank you. Today's victory in Mississippi -- and everything else we've accomplished -- is because of you.
I am so grateful to the more than 900,000 people who've donated and contributed to our success so far.
They're people like Ernesto, a college student from Ohio, and Liza, a mom from Texas whose child has Down syndrome -- people who share our belief that when we lift each other up instead of tearing each other down, we can do incredible things.
The forces trying to drive us apart are strong.
But I believe our campaign and our country should be about breaking barriers and building on what made America great in the first place.
America's diversity is a strength, not a weakness. Trying to divide this country between "us" and "them" is simply wrong. Our mission is to do as much good as we can for the most people we can -- we have to open our hearts to helping others.
That's the kind of spirit that drives this campaign, and it's what will take us all the way to the White House.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)primary. Indies for Sanders skewed the results to him. Hillary won registered Dems by a lot.
Hillary should win FL and NC, and I think she will also win OH and IL next Tuesday. Bernie will make his biggest play in OH.
It is also possible a good number of Clinton voters saw the polling, thought she had it by a long shot, and stayed home which added to this result.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)---which hadn't been a factor before. For instance, It it might be difficult to get a representative sample of some segments of the the population such as young people and college students or union workers. A poll sample may only contain 7% of that demographic yet the polling company knows that the demographic, so they count the results of the demographic as a larger percentage of the total - say 12% - based on other data they have gathered. But let's say that that demographic makes up a much higher percentage of the vote - say 22% - then the poll will be off.
Also polls on measure the choices of the electorate on a given day; people's choices may change before the actually election. Given the huge errors in all of the polls, I have to think this was a major change. For instance, Sanders attack on Hillary as a supporter of trade agreements negotiated on Bill's watch may have resonated with workers in a state which lost many jobs to foreign companies.
The good thing is hat both Hillary's campaign and the polling organizations can learn from the results in Michigan. The polling companies can redesign future polls and the Clinton campaign can retune their message in the rust belt states.
pandr32
(11,605 posts)I wonder if the under-polled group of young adults, motivated to support Sanders now, probably even more so because his chances are dimming, will sit it out in the GE, or switch to Trump.
This group of people finds the extreme, and unrealistic promises to be appealing--they are being primed to enter politics with an expectation that can't be met by a "pragmatic" candidate, or the reality of how government works as the result. It seems they believe they can, through a show of force (revolution), make what they want happen. This is a send-up for a group of very dissatisfied people who may be another obstinate block like the Tea Party in the future.
Aside from Sanders, Trump is the only other candidate who is making these kinds of titillating, pie-in-the-sky promises. There are times I think Sanders believes his own rhetoric, but then I see him do some rather calculated moves and I realize he is a politician, and has been one for forever.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)That's probably one reason Sanders isn't doing much there.
The rest of the states are concerned about trade. I'm very concerned about Hillary's chances there.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)I refuse again to listen to corporate media about T-rump and BS tho. Onward . . .
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)They aren't necessarily favorable to one candidate or the other, unless we are talking about FOX or to some extent MSNBC, but they do things to up their viewership, like wanting their viewers to think that a race is closer than it is to keep viewers watching, i.e. to get more eyes on a debate they are carrying. I saw Wolf Blitzer doing exactly that the other night.
Cha
(297,516 posts)about the Dem Primary in Michigan".
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Michigan gives Sanders extended life - if he had lost by a large margin in Michigan, interest in the Demographic race would have dwindled. That would have cost the the news networks viewers in the future - meaning they would make less money.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)time I looked, hillary increased her delegate count as well as popular vote margin yesterday....with a growing advantage that becomes more and more difficult for sanders to overcome....this is the lesson Obama taught her 8 years ago...win delegates and vote count...scores big with superdelegates....in the end, the nomination is a wrap
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)And even if momentum swings entirely to Bernie (which I don't believe will happen) and they end up in a "virtual tie", the fact that registered Democrats are going for Hillary in a big way (vs Independents for Bernie) should mean that the superdelegates have no reason to change their affiliation.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the national total which hillary is clobbering sanders and the state and local count....they also also process electabilty...and no matter what sander supporters think...bernie has not had the conservative rightwing cannons pointed at him...while hillary has withstood 30 years of it....
bernie will be blasted out of the water the same George McGovern was , Michael Dukalkis was.....to the point the soccer moms will not vote for him...and he already has issues with blacks, hispanics and women to begin with
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riversedge
(70,282 posts)matter how small--or big the donation.