Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumI saw the BLM protester from the HRC event interviewed on MSNBC.
I am not going to question her motivations. However, when she was asked if she was holding Bernie Sanders to the same standard as Hillary Clinton she had a very generic, scripted sounding answer. She was asked twice and had the exact same answer each time. Very unspecific, non-critical answer regarding Sanders.
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(4,667 posts)LexVegas
(6,073 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)With the stunt she pulled the other night, all she is doing is hurting the cause she pretends to deeply care for.
livetohike
(22,149 posts)obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)There is a gigantic difference there, too bad this has become a political fight. It shouldn't be, we need judicial reform and both these candidates will work for it. But, who will help to elect people who will work for it, that is the question. As far as I know, right now, Mr. Sander's doesn't care who gets elected, as long as it's him. As of January, 2016 Clinton has donated over $18 million dollars to candidates running in elections, but Mr. Sanders donation contribution is $0. That should tell you all you need to know.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)who is challenging Debbie Wasserman-Schltz in Florida's 23rd Congressional District. https://timcanova.com/news.htm
He is also running a grass roots campaign funded by small donations rather than superpacs. Sanders has always said from the beginning that the down ticket races a re crucial given the enormous number of House and Senate seats, Governorships and state legislative seats lost since 2012. He fully understands and expounds on the 'revolution' changing the tides down ballot. Hillary is swimming in money, Bernie is not. Money, honey. The root of all evil.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)If he really believed in his own revolution, don't you think he would be doing everything he could to help more Dems get elected?
lolly
(3,248 posts)Helping one Dem over another in a primary is not the same as helping Dems win down-ballot races in the General Election.
And Sanders' beef with DWS is personal more than ideological.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)there's any point in protesting Trump or other GOP candidates as being anti BLM is considered a plus with the GOP voters.
romana
(765 posts)Since Clinton is likely to be the next POTUS I think it's right for BLM to focus on her. I think Sanders is an also ran at this point, which is why BLM has focused more on Clinton. Who Ms. Williams may or may not support doesn't discredit her protest. I just wish she'd focus on something more legitimate than that one comment from 20 years ago on a bill that was widely supported. She needs to look into history a bit more, IMO.
I still support her right to protest, though. Good for her for being an activist.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)They are young people, and they have been watching some horrible things happening, just like we have. When people are shot down just like that, for nothing, can you imagine How traumatizing that must be for these young folks, especially those who fit that description? Most who were raised to believe that this country has made great strides in the race relations.
And then in response to their frustration, there met with batons, tear gas, and armored vehicles! I know it activated my daughter into activism for sure!
So I understand her point, I just don't understand where it goes from here
She didn't seem to have that part figured out. She should've been negotiating for a meeting to discuss the issue further, but they were only interested in getting film footage, because the whole point was to try to get more black voters supporting Sanders, and nothing more.
When Cornell West is involved you can guarantee that whatever is going to be accomplished is going to be petty.
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I recently started following @PropaneJane on Twitter, and her feed has been filled with stories of people who lived through those times. I was in graduate school at the time, and living in New York City, (in the Bronx) so I saw some of it, but as a white person I didn't live it in the same way at all. My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones and who saw their neighborhoods destroyed by crime, and who are still losing loved ones now.
Both Secretary Clinton and Ms. Williams have a tremendous opportunity. I hope they are both brave enough to have the conversation with each other and with us.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)of Hillary who wanted to discuss this with her it was a step in the right direction, maybe I missed the point. Hopefully she will decide to pursue a solution and communications will continue.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)to speak to her about it. Ashley wasn't interested in negotiation. She was interested in disruption.
But I do hope that crime bill is gutted and then torn out of the law books!
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)I certainly admire her courage and I believe that BLM is absolutely spot on. But ... what you said.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)by Cornell West. Yeah, that Cornell West.
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otohara
(24,135 posts)I don't like CW, never have.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I used to LOVE Cornel West - up until those horrible names he called President Obama, that is.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)BLM activist before she joined his campaign. I totally forgot about that!
Symone Sanders is a young, black criminal justice advocate and supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement. Shes also a progressive political activist right out of the Sanders mold: Her last job was at Ralph Naders Public Citizen.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-campaign-adds-young-black-woman-as-new-public#.da8yVk5lY
Symone Sanders was also a Naderite. I'm pretty sure she had something to do with paying the $500 to send Ashely Williams out to Hillary Clinton's small fundraiser.
riversedge
(70,259 posts)obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)God knows I have protested plenty over the years, including marching in DC against Bush's war.
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that this was political partisanship.
I hope it can still be turned into something meaningful instead of a political gotcha.
obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)And we probably saw each other at all those protests against Bush, because I was there, too.
obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)Weren't some of those days BITTERLY COLD?!
Yes! One had a windchill of -20F! I thought I was never going to be warm ever again!
I went to both Bush inaugurations to protest, too. Really looking forward to going to Hillary's to cheer.
obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)It was horrible. I was dressed appropriately, too. Two pairs of wool socks inside thermal boots, and I swear my toes were killing me when we walked back to the Metro. I swear it took hours to thaw out.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)Bernie needed a black front group to stave off the rumors only pissed-off 25-year-old white people like him, so he went out and found a group of pissed-off 25-year-old black people to like him.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)always suspicious. The fact that shes a minion of West and sanders is not a surprise at all. Nor is the sudden hate for Maher and Dyson either.