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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:19 PM Feb 2016

"Demographics- labor, women, people of color- that the Sanders campaign needed, and failed, to win"

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/dolores_huerta_takes_on_bernies_base_nevada_caucus_flap_speaks_volumes_about_the_frustrations_of_sanders_supporters/



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Things are tense right now because the Nevada loss is starting to look like a devastating blow to the Sanders campaign. From the beginning, the biggest obstacle to the Sanders campaign was convincing voters that this was about serious change instead of a bunch of privileged people posturing about how radical they are.

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Unfortunately, Nevada showed that the inroads just weren’t enough. “He lost among women, blacks, nonwhites, and self-described Democrats,” Charles Blow of The New York Times writes. Early reports that Sanders had outperformed Clinton with Latino voters proved unlikely, as caucus results show that Clinton won the more Latino-heavy precincts. The Sanders message of economic populism is not resonating with people of color, women, or union workers— the very people you need to convince people your campaign is a serious one and not the electoral equivalent of the white guy in dreads wearing the Che shirt playing guitar in the quad.

Under the circumstances, it’s understandable why Sanders supporters would be a bit touchy about Dolores Huerta accusing them of disrespect. Huerta sits right at the intersection of three demographics — labor, women, people of color— that the Sanders campaign needed, and failed, to win over in order to convincingly argue that this is a real political revolution instead of a social signaling opportunity for people who want to be seen as radical.

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The problem is that dog-piling Huerta is exactly the wrong way to go about appealing to women, people of color, or labor organizers. The accusations of lying are a stark reminder of how women or people of color have long been treated as more mendacious than white men, and the lack of respect for an iconic labor organizer calls into question if these self-proclaimed socialists have even a basic understanding of what socialism is, or the centrality of labor concerns to the very concept of socialism. (This isn’t helped by the fact that the Sanders campaign is far more focused on middle-class benefits and Wall Street corruption than traditional socialist concerns like labor organizing or welfare for the poor.)

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"Demographics- labor, women, people of color- that the Sanders campaign needed, and failed, to win" (Original Post) Starry Messenger Feb 2016 OP
Everyone needs to read this -- first-class analysis obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #1
The power of organization. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #4
Karma is lovely--Huerta got the last laugh. riversedge Feb 2016 #2
Snopes has had to revise their entry so many times, it's not even funny. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #5
And, still getting it, rivers! Cha Feb 2016 #22
K&R. Good analysis. Piling oh Ms Huerta did not help Sanders at all. lunamagica Feb 2016 #3
Thanks lunamagica. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #6
Good article. This phrase sums it up for me. livetohike Feb 2016 #7
That is the phrase that really struck me the most, too obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #8
Likewise Ellen Forradalom Feb 2016 #14
This one stuck with me... kjones Feb 2016 #19
It would have been an interesting campaign if it had resonated with more kinds of people. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #9
How many more POC will have to be sacrificed at the altar of BS' political ambitions? BLM is the... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #10
Hopefully not much longer. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #12
If these mothers could have their loved one back I doubt photo ops would Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #16
I had to sit on my hands for a few threads. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #17
It would sure take a while, MADD took a while to see some changes, Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #18
From "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" yallerdawg Feb 2016 #11
That motto should be on the dashboard of every field organizer's car. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #13
No one ever accused them of being smart. good point, yallerdawg! Cha Feb 2016 #21
K & R Iliyah Feb 2016 #15
Hello! Then the BS people shouldn't have Disrespected Delores Huerta if they didn't want to be Cha Feb 2016 #20
I hope it is going viral too. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #23
Thank you! "touchy" my democractic ass! Cha Feb 2016 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #26
Delores Huerta didn't lie.. And, the people who were there know that. The fact that Cha Feb 2016 #27
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #25

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
1. Everyone needs to read this -- first-class analysis
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:23 PM
Feb 2016

I've shared it with several people since you showed it to me earlier.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
2. Karma is lovely--Huerta got the last laugh.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:24 PM
Feb 2016



A better, more fair-minded assessment of the facts can be found at The Washington Post, written by Janell Ross and Abby Phillip, who explain that most of Huerta’s story can be confirmed by the video, even if the very specific accusation of chanting is unknowable, because of the noise.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
5. Snopes has had to revise their entry so many times, it's not even funny.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

They still won't admit they ran it on the bare word of two Bernie surrogates.

In the long run though, it won't matter. They lost this election.

Cha

(297,655 posts)
22. And, still getting it, rivers!
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:19 AM
Feb 2016

The bottom line.. BS fans are staying they don't trust her. Sarandon basically called her a liar.

Stupid.

livetohike

(22,163 posts)
7. Good article. This phrase sums it up for me.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:32 PM
Feb 2016

"From the beginning, the biggest obstacle to the Sanders campaign was convincing voters that this was about serious change instead of a bunch of privileged people posturing about how radical they are. "

It seems that this IS what the campaign is about.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
19. This one stuck with me...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:08 AM
Feb 2016

"This isn’t helped by the fact that the Sanders campaign is far more focused on middle-class benefits and Wall Street corruption than traditional socialist concerns like labor organizing or welfare for the poor."

At times, the Bernie camp seems to have as narrow a definition of "socialist" as the Tea Party has had of "liberty."

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. It would have been an interesting campaign if it had resonated with more kinds of people.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, the early cutting themselves off from the Obama coalition and going after a less-inclusive-seeming message really did turn people off from more diverse demographics.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
10. How many more POC will have to be sacrificed at the altar of BS' political ambitions? BLM is the...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

new cause celebre, not for anything they've accomplished, but because some think it benefits BS' presidential aspirations. We've all seen the complete 180 here at DU, and it's just stunning. BLM are rock stars now, when just a scant few months ago, they were lower than dog excrement because they were "rude".

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. Hopefully not much longer.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

((hugs)) They hated the Mothers of the Movement event the other day, which is one of the most affecting things I have ever watched. They accused those women of being a photo op. You can see right through that stuff. Voters will too.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. If these mothers could have their loved one back I doubt photo ops would
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

Be on their minds. Insensitive people thinks they wanted the photo ops.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
17. I had to sit on my hands for a few threads.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:04 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know how people can get such tunnel vision, that becomes an acceptable thing to say, honestly. The pain of losing a child like that--I said to my friend, I don't know how these mothers go on. If it were me, I'd be hiding in my room, not out fighting and struggling to make sure it never happens to someone else's child.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. It would sure take a while, MADD took a while to see some changes,
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:14 PM
Feb 2016

It will take a while now but it will take longer without these brave women. We can not allow this to stop, a child is worth fighting to save.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. From "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People"
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:48 PM
Feb 2016

"Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood"

It's the whole thing about walking around in someone else's shoes.

They never even considered how Dolores Huerta felt when they said not her and the moderator announced English only to applause and cheers.

They sure hit the trifecta of missed opportunity!

Good article, SM!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
13. That motto should be on the dashboard of every field organizer's car.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016
They never even considered how Dolores Huerta felt when they said not her and the moderator announced English only to applause and cheers.


Truly. If even only for the bad optics, and not the horrible feelings of exclusion that engenders.

Cha

(297,655 posts)
20. Hello! Then the BS people shouldn't have Disrespected Delores Huerta if they didn't want to be
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:16 AM
Feb 2016
"accused of it".

"Under the circumstances, it’s understandable why Sanders supporters would be a bit touchy about Dolores Huerta accusing them of disrespect. Huerta sits right at the intersection of three demographics — labor, women, people of color— that the Sanders campaign needed, and failed, to win over in order to convincingly argue that this is a real political revolution instead of a social signaling opportunity for people who want to be seen as radical."

I hope that vid of Sarandon talking down to Delores like she was her housekeeping is going viral.

This is such good news, Starry.. The smart people are going or Hillary!

Cha

(297,655 posts)
24. Thank you! "touchy" my democractic ass!
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:54 AM
Feb 2016

Stop harassing people and then you won't get accused of it and have to be "touchy"

Jeeze.. simple math.

Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Cha

(297,655 posts)
27. Delores Huerta didn't lie.. And, the people who were there know that. The fact that
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:13 AM
Feb 2016

that this is caught on video is very damaging to the BS campaign.

The Video of Sarandon talking down to Delores made the Latin Times and from there it has gone to the Latino blogs and Social Media. You do not diss this Latina Workers' Rights' icon and have it go unnoticed by those who care this.

Oh, & FYI.. calling DH a liar is going over as well as the Sarandon vid.

From the link.. looks like they blew it..

Things are tense right now because the Nevada loss is starting to look like a devastating blow to the Sanders campaign. From the beginning, the biggest obstacle to the Sanders campaign was convincing voters that this was about serious change instead of a bunch of privileged people posturing about how radical they are.

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