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http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/dolores_huerta_takes_on_bernies_base_nevada_caucus_flap_speaks_volumes_about_the_frustrations_of_sanders_supporters/<snip>
Things are tense right now because the Nevada loss is starting to look like a devastating blow to the Sanders campaign. From the beginning, the biggest obstacle to the Sanders campaign was convincing voters that this was about serious change instead of a bunch of privileged people posturing about how radical they are.
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Unfortunately, Nevada showed that the inroads just werent enough. He lost among women, blacks, nonwhites, and self-described Democrats, Charles Blow of The New York Times writes. Early reports that Sanders had outperformed Clinton with Latino voters proved unlikely, as caucus results show that Clinton won the more Latino-heavy precincts. The Sanders message of economic populism is not resonating with people of color, women, or union workers the very people you need to convince people your campaign is a serious one and not the electoral equivalent of the white guy in dreads wearing the Che shirt playing guitar in the quad.
Under the circumstances, its understandable why Sanders supporters would be a bit touchy about Dolores Huerta accusing them of disrespect. Huerta sits right at the intersection of three demographics labor, women, people of color that the Sanders campaign needed, and failed, to win over in order to convincingly argue that this is a real political revolution instead of a social signaling opportunity for people who want to be seen as radical.
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The problem is that dog-piling Huerta is exactly the wrong way to go about appealing to women, people of color, or labor organizers. The accusations of lying are a stark reminder of how women or people of color have long been treated as more mendacious than white men, and the lack of respect for an iconic labor organizer calls into question if these self-proclaimed socialists have even a basic understanding of what socialism is, or the centrality of labor concerns to the very concept of socialism. (This isnt helped by the fact that the Sanders campaign is far more focused on middle-class benefits and Wall Street corruption than traditional socialist concerns like labor organizing or welfare for the poor.)
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obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)I've shared it with several people since you showed it to me earlier.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)A better, more fair-minded assessment of the facts can be found at The Washington Post, written by Janell Ross and Abby Phillip, who explain that most of Huertas story can be confirmed by the video, even if the very specific accusation of chanting is unknowable, because of the noise.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)They still won't admit they ran it on the bare word of two Bernie surrogates.
In the long run though, it won't matter. They lost this election.
Cha
(297,655 posts)The bottom line.. BS fans are staying they don't trust her. Sarandon basically called her a liar.
Stupid.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I thought it was one of the best things I've read this campaign. xo
livetohike
(22,163 posts)"From the beginning, the biggest obstacle to the Sanders campaign was convincing voters that this was about serious change instead of a bunch of privileged people posturing about how radical they are. "
It seems that this IS what the campaign is about.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)"This isnt helped by the fact that the Sanders campaign is far more focused on middle-class benefits and Wall Street corruption than traditional socialist concerns like labor organizing or welfare for the poor."
At times, the Bernie camp seems to have as narrow a definition of "socialist" as the Tea Party has had of "liberty."
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Unfortunately, the early cutting themselves off from the Obama coalition and going after a less-inclusive-seeming message really did turn people off from more diverse demographics.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)new cause celebre, not for anything they've accomplished, but because some think it benefits BS' presidential aspirations. We've all seen the complete 180 here at DU, and it's just stunning. BLM are rock stars now, when just a scant few months ago, they were lower than dog excrement because they were "rude".
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)((hugs)) They hated the Mothers of the Movement event the other day, which is one of the most affecting things I have ever watched. They accused those women of being a photo op. You can see right through that stuff. Voters will too.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Be on their minds. Insensitive people thinks they wanted the photo ops.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I don't know how people can get such tunnel vision, that becomes an acceptable thing to say, honestly. The pain of losing a child like that--I said to my friend, I don't know how these mothers go on. If it were me, I'd be hiding in my room, not out fighting and struggling to make sure it never happens to someone else's child.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It will take a while now but it will take longer without these brave women. We can not allow this to stop, a child is worth fighting to save.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood"
It's the whole thing about walking around in someone else's shoes.
They never even considered how Dolores Huerta felt when they said not her and the moderator announced English only to applause and cheers.
They sure hit the trifecta of missed opportunity!
Good article, SM!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Truly. If even only for the bad optics, and not the horrible feelings of exclusion that engenders.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)"Under the circumstances, its understandable why Sanders supporters would be a bit touchy about Dolores Huerta accusing them of disrespect. Huerta sits right at the intersection of three demographics labor, women, people of color that the Sanders campaign needed, and failed, to win over in order to convincingly argue that this is a real political revolution instead of a social signaling opportunity for people who want to be seen as radical."
I hope that vid of Sarandon talking down to Delores like she was her housekeeping is going viral.
This is such good news, Starry.. The smart people are going or Hillary!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I've been trying to do my part on Twitter.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Stop harassing people and then you won't get accused of it and have to be "touchy"
Jeeze.. simple math.
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Cha
(297,655 posts)that this is caught on video is very damaging to the BS campaign.
The Video of Sarandon talking down to Delores made the Latin Times and from there it has gone to the Latino blogs and Social Media. You do not diss this Latina Workers' Rights' icon and have it go unnoticed by those who care this.
Oh, & FYI.. calling DH a liar is going over as well as the Sarandon vid.
From the link.. looks like they blew it..
Things are tense right now because the Nevada loss is starting to look like a devastating blow to the Sanders campaign. From the beginning, the biggest obstacle to the Sanders campaign was convincing voters that this was about serious change instead of a bunch of privileged people posturing about how radical they are.