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SunShine22

(47 posts)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:24 PM Feb 2016

"Senator, you are forming a mob of angry ...."

Article in Huff today:
You have been a lifelong champion of human equality. You have kept economic inequality, an issue I care very deeply about, at the forefront of an election cycle that might otherwise have been dominated by the antics of a reality TV clown.

On foreign policy, the issue that is generally considered your greatest weakness, I believe that you have consistently shown yourself to be responsible, inquisitive and level-headed. And you and Secretary Clinton have run campaigns which, a few stumbles aside, stand in such stark contrast to the GOP field that it is difficult to fathom how anyone could possibly consider any of them over either of you.

Senator Sanders, I like you. I admire you. Most of the time, I wish that we had 99 more senators just like you.

And I would, wouldn't I? I'm on the younger end of the likely voter spectrum. I'm male. I'm white. I'm liberal as hell. I'm the kind of voter that you should have a lock on.

But Senator, we have a problem, and it's a big one. When it comes to the specifics surrounding the core issue of your campaign, you have too often come across as either disingenuous or strangely removed from current reality.

The red flags have become too frequent to ignore. ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/dear-bernie-red-flags-frequent_b_9289954.html

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"Senator, you are forming a mob of angry ...." (Original Post) SunShine22 Feb 2016 OP
This whole article is so good ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #1
Is it possible that he doesn't know that stuff? BainsBane Feb 2016 #26
I don't think it's possible whatsoever ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #43
K&R comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #2
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #3
Great read. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #4
My title would have been.. I don't like you, bernie and here's why.. these red flags are too Cha Feb 2016 #5
Sure timmymoff Feb 2016 #24
Go peddle your papers somewhere else. 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #29
I understand timmymoff Feb 2016 #32
We don't need your education 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #33
You have tossed out innuendo only, that's trolling in this group, typical but sickening. eom fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #39
What part of you're in the Hillary group do you not understand? charlyvi Feb 2016 #54
No, fact checking bernie is not allowed around here.. but, they're doing it across the net and Cha Feb 2016 #42
Wow that's a damning indictment of Bernie's campaign deceptions workinclasszero Feb 2016 #6
Unfortunately, in GD-Primaries, BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #13
This is the part that worries me. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #56
Exactly. That line caught my attention too. LisaM Feb 2016 #58
Wow, best read today ... thanks ... LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #7
"The red flags have become too frequent to ignore" Now I'm beginning to wonder just what side BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #8
So true! Iliyah Feb 2016 #9
oddly enough the people who know him best (20 yrs in congress) are not flocking to him nt msongs Feb 2016 #10
I a great article jehop61 Feb 2016 #11
There are red flags aplenty! pandr32 Feb 2016 #12
Uh, that's his opinion about Glass-Steagall, and its quite telling cprise Feb 2016 #27
No need for the snark pandr32 Feb 2016 #40
This. THIS. All of it! Rose Siding Feb 2016 #14
Fantastic article!! Control-Z Feb 2016 #15
The closer. yallerdawg Feb 2016 #16
Wow. Pretty much agree with everything the author has said, except for "I like you. I admire you." livetohike Feb 2016 #17
I support Hillary handmade34 Feb 2016 #50
Yes. Mob. Good word. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #18
Popular revolt is what you get when you shaft almost everyone. cprise Feb 2016 #28
Still not seeing it. If that's supposed to be a "popular revolt", they're doing it wrong. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #34
"99 More" ought to be emblazoned on his campaign bus SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2016 #19
That is an extraordinary read. I've forwarded the link to a number of people. Thanks for posting. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #20
He is not only hurting the ,,, Cryptoad Feb 2016 #21
thank you timmymoff Feb 2016 #25
No, you and your group are the problem ... LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #38
Bingo otohara Feb 2016 #53
If there is an angry mob of voters, perhaps the question that should be asked is why they are angry. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #22
This is the Hillary Clinton group... wysi Feb 2016 #23
How was that input anti-hillary? Gore1FL Feb 2016 #41
You're disrupting.. this is Hillary's Group for her supporters. Cha Feb 2016 #47
I want a Hammer! n/t fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #35
sanders has railed against Dems for decades.. he wanted President Obama primared in 2012.. Cha Feb 2016 #48
Bernie supporters can't help but try to push people around, can they? 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #30
K & R Alfresco Feb 2016 #31
K&R fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #36
BTW, I'm stealing your post and gonna try to Johnny Appleseed it a bit. eom fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #37
Yikes Hekate Feb 2016 #44
K&R! DemonGoddess Feb 2016 #45
BOOOOM!! Ka-POW!!!! Wham Bam Boomey!!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #46
You're Welcome in here anytime, 23! Cha Feb 2016 #49
The Huff Post article is well done Gothmog Feb 2016 #51
Kick & recommended. William769 Feb 2016 #52
Bernie hopes his supporters don't read the fine print. nt Fla Dem Feb 2016 #55
K&R DesertRat Feb 2016 #57
Thank you! Shared his essay on Face Book! Lucinda Feb 2016 #59

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
1. This whole article is so good
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016
You recently claimed that under your leadership, "the Treasury Department will create a too-big-to fail list of banks and insurance companies."

Of course it will. The Treasury Department has been legally required to do that since the Dodd-Frank Act of 2010. The institutions are, on top of that, already subjected to stress tests, and when they fail, there are fairly serious consequences. The Department's annual report is available right here. You can find a list of these institutions on Wikipedia, for crying out loud. The Financial Stability Board also maintains a global list, which you can find right here, should you find that helpful.

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
26. Is it possible that he doesn't know that stuff?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016

And other proposals he's suggested that are already law, such as on guns? How can that be when he's in the Senate?

Cha

(297,503 posts)
5. My title would have been.. I don't like you, bernie and here's why.. these red flags are too
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

frequent to ignore.

Fact checkin' the bern.. is that even allowed?1

Mahalo Sunshine~

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
24. Sure
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

mentioning Hillary's thousands of dollars in campaign donations is allowed isn't it? we can mention how she was for private prisons before she was against them, correct? We do get to mention how she openly supported TPP as the "gold standard of trade" upwards of fifty times? I also would like to mention the flip flop on keystone, and her terrible bankruptcy bill she voted for, certainly you don't mind me mentioning the red flags that make Bernie supporters not so interested in Hillary, certainly reciprocity is A OK. maybe we can mention how she was on the board of Wal-Mart for all those years. can we mention how she starts negotiating from the bottom. I have no problem with the truth, can we see the transcripts? Let's get it all out in the open, certainly you guys are for this, correct?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
32. I understand
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

I wasn't trying to re-educate, it seems that avoidance of issues causes a reason to merely educate. Hope all is well.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
33. We don't need your education
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

Just go elsewhere. Seriously, all you are doing is reinforcing the negative impression of Bernie supporters.


charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
54. What part of you're in the Hillary group do you not understand?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016

Groups are not forums. You have the rest of the board to spout your opinions. You are not welcome here.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
42. No, fact checking bernie is not allowed around here.. but, they're doing it across the net and
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:40 AM
Feb 2016

it's not looking good.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
6. Wow that's a damning indictment of Bernie's campaign deceptions
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016
Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee.

That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective?

If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?


This needs to be in GD:primaries!!

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
56. This is the part that worries me.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

At this point I hope that this nomination process runs its course quickly. Bernie does not have a significant chance to get the nomination anymore, and the longer he stays in and whips his supporters into a frenzy, the more damage he is doing to Hillary. I'm all for democracy, but it's become clear that a great deal of the Bernie campaign is built on serious distortions regarding Hillary and her record. As such, people who might otherwise vote for Hillary in the GE, develop such a distorted, monstrous image of her that it becomes impossible for them. As a progressive, this worries me. So I hope this primary season runs it course quickly, so that we can get on to the business of kicking the Republicans' butts.

LisaM

(27,821 posts)
58. Exactly. That line caught my attention too.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:33 PM
Feb 2016

While I don't dislike Bernie Sanders, I have to wonder at the vitriol of some of the supporters he's attracting. It's hard to square the two. My anti-favorite meme is that you somehow show you're a feminist by NOT voting for a woman or thinking it's about time for a woman president?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
8. "The red flags have become too frequent to ignore" Now I'm beginning to wonder just what side
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

he's playing for.

pandr32

(11,602 posts)
12. There are red flags aplenty!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

"...none of this holds a candle to the bizarre narrative you have consistently pushed around Glass-Steagall, your primary point of distinction from Secretary Clinton on finance. You have repeatedly insinuated, implied and said flat-out that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which you tend to call a repeal of Glass-Steagall, caused the financial crisis.
Senator Sanders, that simply isn't true."

"When asked to identify a law that actually contributed to the financial crisis, experts are more likely to point to the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000...Senator Sanders, you voted in favor of that law."

I love how this article basically charges Sanders with knowingly pushing a deceptive narrative on low-information voters who were looking for somewhere to place the blame for the problems we face in order to promote his own candicacy.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
27. Uh, that's his opinion about Glass-Steagall, and its quite telling
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis

The above opinion is well-supported, and its a fact that lending banks now heavily hedge against the riskier loans (to lower-income people and small business), meaning they are betting against the success of these people and in fact creating funds that seek to create the conditions for their failure.

I am sorry, but the establishment has jumped the shark ever-so-much and is still having trouble realizing just how far they've gone.

Now I return you to the nonsensical hand-waving over the red tide.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
14. This. THIS. All of it!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:28 PM
Feb 2016


Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?

It is a bitter irony, then, that Paul Krugman, Barney Frank, Gary Gensler, Jared Bernstein and Felicia Wong and Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute all agree that Clinton's plans to rein in Wall Street have more teeth than yours.


An angry mob turns on more than just the nominee

livetohike

(22,157 posts)
17. Wow. Pretty much agree with everything the author has said, except for "I like you. I admire you."
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:38 PM
Feb 2016

I read on DU that he is well-liked. Really? He has few legislative accomplishments and few endorsements from his colleagues. That should tell you something about his effectiveness. He probably points and wags his finger at everyone he disagrees with. I don't buy that his angry demeanor is "charming". Not to me. I don't need yelled at.

handmade34

(22,757 posts)
50. I support Hillary
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016

I want Bernie Sanders to remain my senator and yes, he is a good person with accomplishments and I like him. There is a reason most people like him while at the same time realize Hillary is the best candidate for President right now...

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,135 posts)
19. "99 More" ought to be emblazoned on his campaign bus
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

That is the only way to affect real change for the good of the 99%.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
25. thank you
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

Your admittance of hurting not only the progressive cause but democrats speaks volumes. It states exactly what Bernie Sanders supporters have been saying all along, the democrats are not progressive, especially Hillary. Your admittance was a big first step in admitting the problem with going corporate dem. We should be able to make huge strides from such recognition of the problem.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
38. No, you and your group are the problem ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

Racist, misogynist, rude assholes.
Go away. There are several circle-jerk forums for your type.

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
22. If there is an angry mob of voters, perhaps the question that should be asked is why they are angry.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders didn't make them angry. What Reagan did the the country and the complacency of Democrats to undo the damage is what makes them angry.

How do we fix that?

Cha

(297,503 posts)
48. sanders has railed against Dems for decades.. he wanted President Obama primared in 2012..
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:42 AM
Feb 2016

for no reason.

He's just not qualified to be president.

Hillary has the experience, the knowledge, and the tenacity to be POTUS.

From the OP..

Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
30. Bernie supporters can't help but try to push people around, can they?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

They've got most of the site, but they have to bully their way into the Hillary Forum.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
36. K&R
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

You have to read this. In fact copy and paste the URL on every post you make outside this group too. And twice for me 'cause I stick close

Number23

(24,544 posts)
46. BOOOOM!! Ka-POW!!!! Wham Bam Boomey!!!!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:58 AM
Feb 2016
Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?

God DAMN I need a fucking smoke after reading that!! Good LORD! TRUEST FUCKING WORDS I've read in MONTHS!!!!!

I didn't even mean to come in here! I was just passing through and this just about knocked me out.

Well done!! Amen! DAMN that was a hell of a read.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
49. You're Welcome in here anytime, 23!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016
Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?

Perfectly stated..

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