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BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:13 PM Feb 2016

About those excessive contributions

to Bernie's campaign, I just woke up to the fact that the report is only talking about those excessive contributions through 2015.

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf

This report does not include any of the many millions that have been contributed since 1 Jan 2016. So it will be very interesting to see those numbers and whether the excessive contributions have continued.

I can certainly understand how in the heat of a campaign, multiple contributions in small amounts might not get added up accurately so that they can be caught immediately.

But when individuals send in one-time amounts of $5000 and $3000 which clearly exceed the $2700 max, as was the case for several contributors, the numbers should have been caught immediately.

I certainly don't envy Ms Jackson her position in a very hot seat that could be getting hotter by the minute.

Can you even begin to imagine the outrage if Hillary's campaign were in this position?

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About those excessive contributions (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 OP
It's a plot by the Obama FEC to hurt sanders dlwickham Feb 2016 #1
I was responding to a different BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #2
"will any blame ever be attributed to the candidate himself?" Ask Harry Truman: George II Feb 2016 #21
Ah well, Harry is BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #25
As they say, "establishment is in the eyes of the beholder". George II Feb 2016 #30
Exactly. Can't tell me that a man who's been in Congress for 25+ years isn't "establishment". BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #37
Saint Bernie responsible for something? dlwickham Feb 2016 #23
um. I did not catch that. Thanks. riversedge Feb 2016 #3
Exactly what I was thinking! eom fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #32
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #4
Section 4 should raise some concern. TexasTowelie Feb 2016 #5
I have to say that I don't immediately BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #7
Hillary is personally responsible for this plot against Bernie to make him look bad. Lil Missy Feb 2016 #6
Just as she is responsible for BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #8
Ya, a donor breach for sure. n/t fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #33
How could they even cash a check above $2700? cosmicone Feb 2016 #9
Such amounts likely came in BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #10
They can have a top limit set on merchant accounts easily n/t cosmicone Feb 2016 #11
So one would think. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #12
Slightly O/T: OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #13
Certainly worth asking BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #15
Yeah, but none of them are on "Wall Street" George II Feb 2016 #20
So it's February Treant Feb 2016 #14
I'm really interested in BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #16
I don't know FEC regulations, but most states only require quarterly reports. George II Feb 2016 #18
Per the FEC FAQs, quarterly reports are BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #26
My state filings are due 10 days after the end of each quarter, and for some odd reason... George II Feb 2016 #31
Bingo! From that PDF document posted yesterday, I quickly put together an excel spreadsheet.... George II Feb 2016 #19
Yes, I mentioned that here: George II Feb 2016 #17
Thanks for posting that again! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #34
Clearly the man we want working on campaign finance reform... kjones Feb 2016 #22
Do as I say, not as BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #27
great quote at bottom of your page ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #24
Even though I have to grit my teeth all too often BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #28
I'm surprised my Kindle hasn't blown up, considering the volume of outrage UtahLib Feb 2016 #29
???? BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #35
Absolutely not. nt UtahLib Feb 2016 #40
Thanks, UtahLib! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #41
He seems to be given quite a bit of latitude pandr32 Feb 2016 #36
I remember all the BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #38
Me too! pandr32 Feb 2016 #39
So very glad to see DemonGoddess Feb 2016 #42
I know the feeling BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #43
It seems to be backfiring. Treant Feb 2016 #44

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
1. It's a plot by the Obama FEC to hurt sanders
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

couldn't have happened because you know that would take forever for these $19 donation to add up

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
2. I was responding to a different
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

response, I think. It seems to have changed since I last saw it.

Of course, the FEC doing its job must be an anti-Sanders conspiracy.

And yes, I am sure that the campaign treasurer will feel the wrath of some. But will any blame ever be attributed to the candidate himself?

After all, Hillary is single-handedly blamed for the Iraq War, ISIS and nearly everything else that has gone wrong in America and the world since Bill Clinton's Presidency.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
37. Exactly. Can't tell me that a man who's been in Congress for 25+ years isn't "establishment".
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

That doesn't fly with me.

And just because he's never learned to play with others well, doesn't take away from the fact that he's been part of the DC establishment for 25+ years. It just means he's never learned to play well with others - which should be a negative against any potential candidate for the Democratic Party nominee.

TexasTowelie

(112,249 posts)
5. Section 4 should raise some concern.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

"Schedule A-P (see attached) discloses a contribution(s) from an individual(s) who has a mailing address outside of the United States of America."

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
7. I have to say that I don't immediately
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

get too excited about those.

I too have a mailing address outside the US. There are actually quite a few US citizens who live abroad for various reasons. See, e.g., https://aaro.org/ and https://americansabroad.org/

But what I had to do at the outset was to send a scanned copy of my US passport to the Hillary campaign. I have also had to do that for any other politician to whom I send a contribution.

But yes, it is a definite red flag.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
9. How could they even cash a check above $2700?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't require a math genius to tell that the amount is above the legal limit.

Or do they really believe IOKIYABS?

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
10. Such amounts likely came in
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

via electronic transfers via credit/debit card, PayPal or ActBlue so they never saw checks.

But one would think that they would have some electronic means to immediately invalidate one-time contributions over the limit.

It doesn't bode well for managing the highest office in the land if one can't even get a grip on one's own campaign contributions.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
13. Slightly O/T:
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

I noticed yesterday that four of the Sanders campaign's top five contributors are:

Alphabet, Inc.(Google)
Microsoft Corp.
Apple Inc.
Amazon

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000528&

Using the Berniac standard that where these contributions come from, whether employee or employer, is irrelevant, it begs the question: How many "American" jobs have these companies shipped to Kissinger's China? And, by contrast, how many "American" jobs has Goldman Sachs sent there?

BTW, #6 is the U.S. Navy and #7 is Kaiser Permanente . What do these entities expect in return for their contributions?

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
15. Certainly worth asking
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

about when righteous purity is the standard from which there can never - ever - be any deviations whatsoever.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
14. So it's February
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

And Jackson (and by extension, Sanders) haven't figured out that Excel spreadsheet thingy yet.

Hint: Pivot tables can be your friend. So can sorting.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
16. I'm really interested in
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

seeing what the FEC report for Jan 2016 will show because that was an exceptional fundraising month for Bernie's campaign. February will prove to be another.

I'm a dinosaur who remembers when "high-tech" was a hand-held calculator rather than an adding machine. But with Excel, pivot tables and the magical electronic genies at our disposal today, there really is no excuse, IMO.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
26. Per the FEC FAQs, quarterly reports are
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:05 PM
Feb 2016

generally required, although additional reports are required before the candidate's primary election and before and after the GE.

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_candidate.shtml#report

So we may not see anything additional before April - or even early May 2016.

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. My state filings are due 10 days after the end of each quarter, and for some odd reason...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

...10 days before the general election. But those are state regulations.

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Bingo! From that PDF document posted yesterday, I quickly put together an excel spreadsheet....
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

....and found all the aggregates (using a pivot table) that exceeded $2700. It's frightening how many there are.

It took about 10 minutes.

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Yes, I mentioned that here:
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1222485

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1224035

This is nothing to sneeze about - there were about a dozen single donations that were over $2700, not just aggregates of several donations. Here are the INDIVIDUAL one-time contributions which should never have been accepted (along with dozens of aggregates not shown below):

Connell,Liam 12/31/2015 $5,400.00
Maher,Bill 11/18/2015 $5,400.00
Ariely,Dan 11/10/2015 $5,000.00
Dehlsen,DeannaC. 12/23/2015 $5,000.00
DeLima,Barbara 12/31/2015 $5,000.00
Hacker-Delany,Iva 12/18/2015 $5,000.00
Lai,Christine 12/22/2015 $5,000.00
McInerney,Brian 12/2/2015 $5,000.00
Pew,Benjamin 12/28/2015 $5,000.00
Scaramucci,Janis 7/27/2015 $5,000.00
Dean,Peter 12/16/2015 $3,542.00
Anixter,Martin 12/17/2015 $3,000.00
Jones,Eagle 12/18/2015 $3,000.00
Stark,Lisa 11/14/2015 $3,000.00
Phouthavong,Sisouvanh 11/18/2015 $2,800.00
Grasseschi,Barbara 12/18/2015 $2,750.00

The person who accepted those checks and deposited them should be fired. But it's not just them, the Treasurer has the ultimate responsibility.

Of course mistakes can be made and they can be corrected with amended reports, but some of these errors are due to sheer ineptitude.

Now, with 3.5 million donations from roughly 1 million individuals, sorting through those is going to be a nightmare.

Also, note that the letter sent to the Sanders campaign said that the 37-page attachment was just from a "preliminary review", not an in depth review.

This could blow up in his and his Treasurer's face.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
28. Even though I have to grit my teeth all too often
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:09 PM
Feb 2016

at the absolute B***S*** constantly trashing Hillary on DU and elsewhere, it is a good thing for me to remember too.

If it is true that KKKarl Rove's SuperPAC will help Bernie's campaign in NV, that only proves the point.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
29. I'm surprised my Kindle hasn't blown up, considering the volume of outrage
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

in certain areas of this site.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
36. He seems to be given quite a bit of latitude
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

What of the investigation into his campaign 's (top staffers involved) theft of Clinton campaign data? Amazingly, his fortune turned right after that.
He seldom gets called out when he lies--an example is when he says he doesn't use any super pac help.
His campaign uses logos of organizations without their authorization.
His campaign deceitfully accessed lunch rooms of union members in Nevada in order to push Sanders.
Etc.

It appears he is given kid glove treatment, and why is that? Is it because of what is at stake? Could it be that Democrat Party officials fear that any consequences given to Sanders' unethical conduct would alienate his base and cost us big in the GE? Or have we just turned into passive, accommodating pushovers?

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
38. I remember all the
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

screaming about receiving Clinton fundraising emails.

Well, I only began receiving fundraising emails from Bernie's campaign after that Dec event. Was there a relationship? Probably not, but ...

At least I give Bernie the benefit of the doubt. They only apply the benefit of the doubt to Bernie and believe any trash whatsoever that is posted about Hillary.

In any event, I have clicked the "Unsubscribe" button on the Bernie requests.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
39. Me too!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

I have also unsubscribed, but unlike you I will not give the benefit of the doubt anymore. I see too much of what I deem unethical.

Sanders would have to convincingly address all of it: take measurable steps to reign in miscreants, and apologize for his own behavior and that of his campaign--and then change it all. He needs to take responsibility for the deliberate divisiveness his campaign (and himself, too) are fostering as well.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
42. So very glad to see
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:34 AM
Feb 2016

REASONABLE PEOPLE HERE!

As to the data breach, I've been a Hillary supporter since she announced. I had NO interest in supporting an (I) who tended to be divisive. But gee, started getting contribution emails from his campaign. Why is that do you ya think?

Anyway, on dkos, there's a topic about this, and yet, the rabid toads who see that Sanders does nothing wrong, ever, are squawking because SHE shows on her FEC filing returned donations. Why is that? Because they exceeded the limit ya think? So....because she's following the law, she's being dishonest, but St. Bernie is not?

Sorry, it's been kinda building in me for a long time.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
43. I know the feeling
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:55 AM
Feb 2016

all too well.

Double standards all over the place. Hillary can do no right and Bernie can do no wrong. Ever.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
44. It seems to be backfiring.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

An ever larger contingent of real-world people are opposed to Bernie due to the insistence that #BernieSoPure when #BernieClearlyAintSoPure.

The actions and rhetoric of the campaign and the Bros aren't helping much either--and it's getting more histrionic the closer we get to Super Tuesday. Public and internal polling must not be going his way (we can verify that public polling certainly isn't).

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