Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:56 PM Feb 2016

The sexist double standards hurting Hillary Clinton

Much of Hillary Clinton’s difficulty in this campaign stems from a single, unalterable fact: She is a woman.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-sexist-double-standards-hurting-hillary-clinton/2016/02/12/fb551e38-d195-11e5-abc9-ea152f0b9561_story.html

I am not a Dana Milbank fan. But his take in this Op-Ed is spot on, IMO. Even a stopped clock ...

At a Clinton rally last week in New Hampshire, I discussed the decibel dilemma with Jay Newton-Small of Time magazine. “It’s very hard for a woman to telegraph passion,” she explained. “When Bernie yells, it shows his dedication to the cause. When she yells, it’s interpreted in a very different way: She’s yelling at you.”

That’s not about Clinton; it’s about us. “It is a subtle kind of sexism that exists that we don’t recognize,” said Newton-Small, who literally wrote the book on the matter. “Broad Influence: How Women Are Changing the Way America Works,” out last month, includes a chapter on Clinton. “When women raise their voices, people tend to get their hackles up. People I talk to at Clinton events put her in a maternal role: Why is she screaming at me? Am I in trouble?”

Campaigning While Female also deprives Clinton of the ability to make lofty promises. Sanders, for example, has a $15 trillion non-starter of a health-care plan. If Clinton floated such a plan, the media would mock it as patently absurd. But Sanders gets a pass.

Why the double standard? “Men are the guys who want to go out and buy the motorcycle, and women are the purse-string holders,” Newton-Small said. “It’s a very traditional role we are putting women into by making them the one saying, no, we can’t do all these really fun things. This is a very stereotypical box she gets put into, which then makes it very hard for her to be inspirational.”

This is the essence of Clinton’s trouble: If she can’t plausibly offer pie in the sky, and she can’t raise her voice, how does she inspire people? This hurts particularly with young voters — the same segment that shunned Clinton in 2008.


More at the link.


9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The sexist double standards hurting Hillary Clinton (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 OP
Milbank gets it right this time mcar Feb 2016 #1
She literally can do BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #2
They do get a pass mcar Feb 2016 #4
I absolutely agree. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #6
it's ok for women to yell mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #3
I agree with that ... but BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #5
there was no shouting from HRC mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #7
As someone who knows firsthand about BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #8
agree ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #9

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
2. She literally can do
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

no right for some. But Santa Claus can continue to promise the moon, sun and stars.

Imagine if Hillary did or said ANYTHING like the GOPer candidates - who ALL get a pass!

mcar

(42,334 posts)
4. They do get a pass
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure some of it is that these are the actual GOP candidates so the media has to take them seriously to some extent. What frustrates me to no end is that the media never, ever challenges these dopes about their lies. Never uses past statements against them. It's lazy, shoddy journalism.

They should all be forced to watch "Spotlight" again and again until they figure out true journalism.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
3. it's ok for women to yell
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

it's really important to get the message out so thanks for bringing up the topic...in a political environment where women are hated and invisible...(ironic and true) no one panders to women as a demographic because they don't think they are important....that's why it's important to get the message out....that if we aren't for ourselves no one will be for us

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
5. I agree with that ... but
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

the point the writer makes is that when Hillary does it - or when any woman candidate does - she is then perceived differently.

From the link:

The criticism is the same as in 2008: She doesn’t connect. She isn’t likeable. She doesn’t inspire. She seems shrill. “She shouts,” Bob Woodward said on MSNBC this month, also suggesting she “get off this screaming stuff.”

Joe Scarborough, the host, agreed: “Has nobody told her that the microphone works?”

At that, Clinton supporters hollered — about the double standard that condemns her but not Sanders, who bellows at the top of his lungs. The episode was part of a constant stream of commentators (generally men) taking issue with Clinton’s demeanor and conduct — “She’s got to become herself,” David Gergen advised on CNN before Thursday night’s debate — in a way they don’t do with Sanders.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
7. there was no shouting from HRC
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

in debate the other night infact Bernie came across as cranky and cross in comparison...I just wanted to get him some slippers put him in a lazyboy and get him some warm milk so he could calm down a little...

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
8. As someone who knows firsthand about
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

hypertension, I worried that he might be overdoing things - either that or he has one bad sunburn.

And Hillary's speech and demeanor were excellent, IMO.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Hillary Clinton»The sexist double standar...