Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumStop Bernie-Splaining to Black Voters
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/opinion/campaign-stops/stop-bernie-splaining-to-black-voters.html?_r=0Now that Iowa and New Hampshire are vanishing in the rearview mirror, the Democratic contests shift more West and South beginning with Nevada and South Carolina, states that have significantly more Hispanic or black voters, respectively, who at this point disproportionately favor Hillary Clinton to Bernie Sanders.
This support for Clinton, particular among African-American voters, is for some perplexing and for others irritating.
I cannot tell you the number of people who have commented to me on social media that they dont understand this support. Dont black folks understand that Bernie best represents their interests? the argument generally goes. But from there, it can lead to a comparison between Sanders and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; to an assertion that Sanders is the Barack Obama that we really wanted and needed; to an exasperated black people are voting against their interests stance.
If only black people knew more, understood better, where the candidates stood now and over their lifetimes they would make a better choice, the right choice. The level of condescension in these comments is staggering.
Sanders is a solid candidate and his integrity and earnestness are admirable, but that can get lost in the noise of advocacy.
Tucked among all this Bernie-splaining by some supporters, it appears to me, is a not-so-subtle, not-so-innocuous savior syndrome and paternalistic patronage that I find so grossly offensive that it boggles the mind that such language should emanate from the mouths or keyboards of supposed progressives.
mcar
(42,334 posts)I await Mr. Blow's visit to the under bus.
Or Mr. Jury disappearing this thread!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)JURY: This is a column from the New York Times.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Smart.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)explaining to Charles Blow why he doesn't understand why they were explaining things to him.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)You hit that one on the head!
Cha
(297,282 posts)Hillary except 2 abstaining.
170 African American Women Leaders are going to South Carolina to knock on doors and make calls for Hillary..
I'd say Hillary has some good long time friend in the Black Community.. and of course these aren't all.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)They want someone to help get things done in their community. Millions marched and backed MLK and many closely worked with him. Majority of them are supporting HRC. Are they wrong, no, and they know why they are supporting her.
Gothmog
(145,293 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Who knows how to work with others to make accomplishments, she will work hard as president. The number of endorsements from well placed people though many I dont think John Lewis is wrong.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)President Obama will also endorse Hillary.
Rybak187
(105 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)that appear there be re-posted here. But your concern is duly noted.
Cha
(297,282 posts)Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)The assumption is that we need solid (white) male leadership to make good choices.
Andrea Dworkin's book "Right Wing Women" was a revelation and helped me relate better to my conservative counterparts.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Won't link to the thread, but the OP said plaintively and at length that he didn't understand the problem with PoC and Bernie, and there were two or three Bernie-splainers in there who were prepared to argue all night that this perfectly reasonable question had not been answered, even when it was answered in the thread (and of course at DU) numerous times. When someone pointed that last part out, they pretty much said, "So you have no answer."
JURY: A New York Times article is under discussion. Bernie Sanders was not harmed in the making of this thread.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)I love the Jury notice!
kjones
(1,053 posts)White guy, but I can understand by analogy. My educational department (anthropology)
is packed full of all sorts of diverse people (well, except apparently, minorities ); socialists,
avowed Marxists, anarchists, don't give a shit-ists. And I'm cool, and agree with 90% of their
talking points, criticisms, etc. But whenever I diverge, I don't get the well-reasoned rebuttals
I would expect from my fellow grad students. Instead, I get those canned responses, similar to
those noted in the OP, "well, you just don't get it. You haven't studied the literature well
enough. You're blind or something. False consciousness." or something of the like.
Condescension, through and through - intellectual, racial, gendered - just condescension.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)This should cause a certain amount of pain and humility to us all:
"It is not so much that black voters love Clinton and loathe Sanders. Indeed, in The Nation magazine, the estimable Michelle Alexander makes a strong case in an essay titled Why Hillary Clinton Doesnt Deserve the Black Vote. For many there isnt much passion for either candidate. Instead, black folks are trying to keep their feet planted in reality and choose from among politicians who have historically promised much and delivered little. It is often a choice between the devil you know and the one you dont, or more precisely, among the friend who betrays you, the stranger who entices you and the enemy who seeks to destroy you.
It is not black folks who need to come to a new understanding, but those whose privileged gaze prevents them from seeing that black thought and consciousness is informed by a bitter history, a mountain of disappointment and an ocean of tears."
He goes on to quote a passage from James Baldwin. Highly recommend the whole article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/opinion/campaign-stops/stop-bernie-splaining-to-black-voters.html?_r=1