Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThe case for Hillary Clinton
I posted this in GD-P, but for those who no longer venture there, here is a link to a really great essay on Hillary. It gives some nice insight into some of her decisions, and makes a strong case for her candidacy.
http://www.medium.com/%40zacharyleven/the-case-for-hillary-3564233d524f
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)SunSeeker
(51,649 posts)wysi
(1,512 posts)I already voted for her in the primary, so I've previously been convinced.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)My experience has been that whenever you closely examine the attacks on Hillary, whether they come from the left or the right, they break apart under scrutiny. That is, if youre so inclined to scrutinize. Scant few are. Many, however, are steadfastly unwilling to view Clinton through anything other than the most severe and cynical lens. If one bit of evidence against her breaks down under examination, then another must be found. If that one fails to pan out, theres always some other way to interpret her record that satisfies the harsh narrative weve chosen for her.
To pick apart every single one of these attacks would require a full-length manuscript. Theyve been coming at her for decades. And yet, shes still standing and however you feel about her, you have to appreciate that resilience.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Thanks for posting it. This bit really highlighted the absurdity of The Revolution-
Note the use of the verb have. Well just have that happen. Like, Well have the maid pick up an extra quart of milk.
We dont need to ask just how many millions of voters would be required to make this dream a reality. We dont need to consider what congressional districts to target. We dont need to consult political scientists to gain a better understanding of why people vote and why people dont vote. We dont need to build new, or improve upon existing political infrastructures to facilitate this dramatic electoral transformation. We certainly dont need to consult with the people in the Democratic party who have, for decades, been studying the makeup of the voting population across the nation, developing tools and strategies to reach people more effectively. Nope. None of that is necessary. All thats necessary is for Bernie Sanders to become president. Once that happens it will be like Field of Dreams. Ghosts will wander from cornfields, ready to vote for single payer.
Well just have it happen.
Which reminded me of an excellent point on this topic I read just yesterday at Shakesville:
Take, for example, Wendy Davis' filibuster in the Texas legislature. Despite the then state senator's 11-hour filibuster to block legislation that would severely undermine reproductive access in Texas, a packed floor of activists, a nationwide call to attention, and countless pro-choice people across the country taking action in support of her, the Republican-majority legislature, with a corrupt assist from then Governor Rick Perry, forced the measure through.
That moment is one of many examples of how an engaged citizenry is not always enough to overcome the steep power imbalance between an entrenched conservative legislature and We the People.
http://www.shakesville.com/2016/02/i-want-to-know_8.html
If that's the proposed tactic, why no success? How would Bernie handle that one? It is Smoke. And. Mirrors.
Worse, he's deluding a large segment of young people with a bullet point manifesto that ignores and discounts civics. Want what you want, you can have it now! he leads them to believe. They will be so disillusioned whether he wins or loses. The time I remember that happening was just after we lost Bobby. The tendency was to tune out and turn on, with disastrous effect.
handmade34
(22,757 posts)...as a Hillary supporter, I do also love Bernie Sanders and what he stands for (in fact, I do not want to lose him as my Senator!) --it is his followers that concern me
My concern is in keeping with your post about the realities of change... the example of Wendy Davis' filibuster is apt. I believe a real revolution is possible but not until 'we the people" understand the sacrifice, the fight, the work, the long endurance, the doing without and going without, the incredible effort needed by so many people... (I remember like yesterday how quickly many gave up on Obama ).
Republicans have become so powerful by slow and methodical undercutting of the democratic process and the psyche of the electorate... we, the democrats need to work smart, to work hard and start working together
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)our not-progressive-enough (according to some) "establishment" president sent his budget to Congress and this happened
G. William Hoagland, who was the Republican staff director at the Senate Budget Committee for much of the 1980s and 1990s, and is senior vice president of the Bipartisan Policy Center, said he could not recall a year since the modern budget process took effect in the 1970s when a presidents budget director was not invited to testify before the budget committees.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/us/politics/congressional-republicans-balk-at-obamas-budget-sight-unseen.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
There goes Joe's cancer research project, opioid abuse, as well as military project funding. Moderate, cross party interests, doa.
Would a more aggressive, even radical agenda get a hearing when this stuff wouldn't?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I found this essay when a Bernie-supporting friend of mine posted it on FB. This friend and I were on the same side (Obama) back in 2008, and now find ourselves on opposite teams. He is a thoughtful guy, though! He posted this because I think it made him see Hillary in a less negative light, although he remains a Bernie supporter. I can respect that, and I'm glad he posted it!
brer cat
(24,591 posts)Thanks for posting it here for those of us to avoid GDP. K&R