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Related: About this forumLike it or Not, Hillary Clinton is Being More Honest with Voters Than Bernie Sanders
This is a good read...which brings me to ask: Sanders Supporters say that "Clinton will say anything to get elected", and they also say "She's the we can't candidate"
Which is it? Because they can't both be right. They should make up their minds already!
Well, here is the article
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yes, Ive heard it all before. Apparently Im some sort of paid shill for Hillary (still waiting on that check, by the way), Im a fake progressive, and Im just afraid of the Sanders revolution. Now that we got that out of the way, hopefully now we can focus on what I mean when I say Hillary Clinton has been more honest with voters than Bernie Sanders.
I certainly dont mean that Bernie Sanders is a liar or a dishonest person. In fact, despite what most people may think about either candidate, according to non-partisan fact-checking site Politifact, Clinton and Sanders both tell the truth at about the same rate. Clintons True/Mostly True score is 50 percent while Sanders comes in at 52 percent.
What I mean when I say Clinton is being more honest with voters than Sanders is that, for maybe the first time, were seeing a leading candidate of a major political party essentially telling voters: Look, I know what my opponent is telling you sounds great, but based on the realities of how government works, what hes promising hes going to do isnt remotely feasible or realistic.
For as much flack as Clinton gets from many Sanders supporters for supposedly saying whatever she feels will benefit her most politically, the truth is, she could have simply gone all-in on single-payer health care, free public college and a $15 an hour minimum wage to leave very little gap between her and Sanders. Politically speaking, especially as it relates to the primaries, that would have probably been the easier thing to do.
However, the political realities of an election are as such that you can either run on ideological purity or you can run on realistic ideas.
Sure, many of the policies on which Sanders has largely built his campaign are more liberal than several of Clintons policies. He wants single-payer, she wants to improve and expand the Affordable Care Act. He wants free public college, she wants debt-free public college. He wants a $15 minimum wage, she wants $12. The problem with what Sanders wants to do is that his big plans stand absolutely zero chance at ever getting through Congress. Now I know what some of you are going to say: The wave of support hell bring to the polls in November would hand Congress back over to Democrats so he could get this passed.
No, it wont.
First, theres almost zero chance Democrats reclaim a majority in the House of Representatives this November, though there is a distinct possibility that they can retake the majority in the Senate. But even if, by some miracle, Democrats took back the House and gained a majority in the Senate they would still need 60 seats in the Senate to prevent Republicans from being able to filibuster legislation. Thats even more unlikely than Democrats winning back a majority in the House.
But even beyond all of that, theres another reality many Sanders supporters seem to ignore. That is, there are quite a few congressional Democrats from somewhat conservative areas of this country supported by left of center voters who would oppose some of the policies on which Sanders is running. So its not just that Sanders would need Democrats to take back both the House and Senate, he would need overwhelming majorities in both houses to stand any chance of his proposals getting through the legislative process.
Now if you want to tell yourself thats all possible this November, go right ahead if that makes you feel better. But thats not going to change what the political realities are.
In fact, even Sanders knows an overwhelming Democratic majority in Congress is unlikely based on his answer to a question during CNNs town hall when he was asked how he plans to get any of this passed. His answer wasnt that he thinks Democrats are going to shock the world by winning overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate. It was his claim that he has a record working with the other side to get things done. Though the key phrase he used during his answer was when there was common ground.
I can promise you this much: when it comes to socializing health care, free public college, more than doubling the minimum wage, raising taxes on the middle class and passing trillions in tax hikes for the wealthy theres absolutely zero common ground to be found within the GOP on any of that.
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/like-it-or-not-hillary-clinton-is-being-more-honest-to-voters-than-bernie-sanders/
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Then they praise him for his honesty.
pandr32
(11,586 posts)Political rhetoric at its best, or worst depending on how you like to phrase it
Sec. Clinton is bending over backwards trying to be forthright without giving Sanders campaign anything to spin...but they do anyway.
Squinch
(50,950 posts)liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)To get things done. You are absolutely correct on getting Bernie's agenda through congress and he has proven this by the bill he sponsored for Medicare for all which did not make it out of committee and therefore never to the floor to be voted. I have not ever heard Sanders tell this truth so if it is a trust issue he failed. I also don't believe in fairy tales, I deal in realities.
Thanks for your post, it is reality.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)When he was a small child, his father asked him who chopped down the cherry tree. He replied, "I can not tell a lie. The oligarchy did it!"