HILLARY GROUP Names: What's with this "Mrs. Clinton" schtick all of a sudden at DU?

[Hekate]

XPost from GDP

Her formal title is Secretary

Secretary of State, that is. Or Madam Secretary. Before that is was Senator.

Her name is Hillary Rodham Clinton -- I know, I kept my birth name that way too.

So what's with "Mrs. Clinton"? Are we being reminded she's someone's wifey without a first name of her own? I remember those days quite well. A group of women in the newspaper, having achieved something difficult and good in the community, all identified as Mrs.: Mrs. Robert Johnson, Mrs. Joseph Nelson, Mrs. Michael Jones, Mrs. Wayne Smith.

It was a way of diminishing and even disappearing women and their achievements. I remember.

And I see what you're doing there. Do you?

JURY: This is commentary directly related to the Democratic Primaries and GDP itself. It is not meta. It is an attempt to raise awareness and consciousness on a Democratic board.

[BigGLiberal]

1. Bernie supporters use the term because they want to demean her status

It doesn't work here or anywhere else. Just consider the source.

[Kath1]

2. Exactly.

Just ignore it and move on. Just more of the same.

[Hekate]

3. You should see the responses in the GDP thread. So bloody hostile.

Pretty much what I expected, though.

[Kath1]

4. I know.

Very hostile and totally inappropriate, in my opinion.

But that is what GD has degenerated into. When you get attacked on posts that have nothing to do with politics because they have identified you as a Hillary supporter, you know it has gotten bad.

[Hekate]

5. What's really bad is how I feel the need to append...

... a note to the JURY after nearly all my posts.

[LexVegas]

6. They define a woman by her husband. See "Mrs. Greenspan". nt

[JohnnyLib2]

7. Hillary-hatred has all but drowned out attention to sexism.

[fleabiscuit]

8. Misogynist knuckledraggers. eom

[Thinkingabout]

9. It is hard discuss her inability to be president, she has proven over and over she is presidential.

Can't say she is short on foreign affairs, she has knowledgeable in many areas. She has been an advocate for women's issues, has spoken many times around the world, she lived through the times when women have been trying to rise in the workplace, felt the struggles, knows the wage inequality in women's positions and men's positions, and felt the same disrespect in this OP. I look at many of these showing disrespect is the lack of respect of themselves, the name calling does not give rise to those who call others names, it degrades them.

[GusBob]

10. Makes her sound staid and establishment

Vs the hiptser name Bernie ( which sounds like a compilation of sesame street characters to me but...)

[SunSeeker]

11. K & R

[kjones]

12. Right? It's not as though we're calling him "Old Man Sanders" or something.

(Waiting for alert )

[pandr32]

13. Soon it will be President Clinton

Actually, she and her husband will be President and President Clinton!

[Cha]

14. That's right.. and Madam President to them.

[Treant]

15. She's not presently Secretary

So I use Mrs. Clinton as her, at the moment, correct title.

Sometimes I use Mr. Sanders, sometimes I remember it's Senator Sanders. But if he left the Senate, he'd be Mr. Sanders.

On the up side, Mrs. Clinton will soon be President Clinton, so that solves any issues quite handily!

[Hekate]

17. Some earned honorifics are for life, in the US. When writing, "former" is added. ...

In interviews and when publicly announced by others, "former" is often skipped if it is assumed that the audience knows very well who the current POTUS, VPOTUS, etc are. Senator and Cabinet position titles are usually retained. It's a protocol for formality.

Mr President, definitely. Madame President, we hope.

We're a casual country in many respects, and when discussing those in high office we very often use their last name only, or first name only, or a nickname. Hill and Bill, come to mind for some reason. Dubya, but of course.

But as I told Skinner in the Xpost, there is a context, and once I saw it I couldn't un-see it.

Anyway, it's worth discussing, imo.

[Treant]

18. It's worth discussing, absolutely

I'm one of those folks who finds retained titles to be a little inappropriate since we broke away from England. I'll concede President as a title of respect for former Presidents, and even VP, but none of the other ones.

[LannyDeVaney]

16. I've used that term a lot ...

and I honestly thought I was being proper. Certainly didn't mean any offense, as I'm a hardcore Clinton supporter.