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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:14 AM Feb 2016

Why is Super Tuesday called a firewall? Well, just look at the odds by state

Alabama
H - 85%
B - 15%

Arkansas
H - 87%
B - 13%

Colorado
H - 56%
B - 44%

Georgia
H - 86%
B - 14%

Massachusetts
H - 64%
B - 36%

Minnesota
H - 58%
B - 42%

Oklahoma
H - 82%
B - 18%

Tennessee
H - 84%
B - 16%

Texas
H - 85%
B - 15%

Vermont
B - 92%
H - 8%

Virginia
H - 82%
B - 18%

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-primaries#March1DEM

Posted the same info in GDP, but, yeah. We're going to have to deal with a lot of horserace stories over the next month, especially after Bernie wins NH (He will, but the margin of victory is still uncertain), but all that changes the morning of March 2nd.

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Why is Super Tuesday called a firewall? Well, just look at the odds by state (Original Post) Godhumor Feb 2016 OP
Thank you for this, GH! I wonder what the percentages are in NY where Hillary was Senator? Cha Feb 2016 #1
just going to add a little more info DURHAM D Feb 2016 #2
the open primary can be a concern if any significant GOP crossovers to impact beachbum bob Feb 2016 #3
True. DURHAM D Feb 2016 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #5
Exactly ... LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #6
The demographics of most of those states reflect the Democratic party. Walk away Feb 2016 #7
I keep telling "them" that the Dem Party is a big tent, but they keep trying to define it... Hekate Feb 2016 #18
It is why their will be a Democratic President for decades to come. Walk away Feb 2016 #21
You're a poll guy, so devil's advocate question..... GusBob Feb 2016 #8
The last poll in Iowa was within the margin of error for what happened. William769 Feb 2016 #10
Which polls were closest? Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #16
Prediction GusBob Feb 2016 #9
To clarify, these aren't polls, they're odds on winning the state Godhumor Feb 2016 #12
D'oh!! Thanks for the info GusBob Feb 2016 #14
I thought Colorado was a closed primary state. Walk away Feb 2016 #22
Well thats one firewall to stop the Bern! William769 Feb 2016 #11
Super Tuesday only sure state for Bernie is Vermont... book_worm Feb 2016 #13
Looking at these numbers, it's easy to see that Bernie will not be the nominee. But I wonder ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #15
I don't think so--they touted his huge rally in Des Moines with pictures comparing and contrasting book_worm Feb 2016 #19
I don't think so either. Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #23
This is why Sanders is toast Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #17
I have nothing against the citizens of IA and NH. Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #20

Cha

(297,655 posts)
1. Thank you for this, GH! I wonder what the percentages are in NY where Hillary was Senator?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

I see Arkansas where she was First Lady is all in for Hillary!

Hillary WON Iowa~We WON!

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
2. just going to add a little more info
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

Alabama - Open primary
Arkansas - Open primary
Colorado - Closed caucus
Georgia - Open primary
Massachusetts - Semi-closed primary
Minnesota - Open caucus
Oklahoma Semi-closed primary
Tennessee - Open primary
Texas - Open primary
Vermont - Open primary
Virginia - Open primary
American Samoa - closed caucus
Democrats abroad - closed primary

ETA:
Delegates from each state (pledged)
Alabama 52
American Samoa 4
Arkansas 32
Colorado 64
Democrats abroad 13
Georgia 98
Massachusetts 95
Minnesota 78
Oklahoma 38
Tennessee 68
Texas 208
Vermont 15
Virginia 95


 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
3. the open primary can be a concern if any significant GOP crossovers to impact
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

by voting for bernie...likelihood not great as they have their internal fights going on with split sport across several candidates....but can not be discounted for sure

Response to Godhumor (Original post)

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
6. Exactly ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

lots of folks have their heads in the sand, and the media is just pushing a "horserace" for ratings.

If one takes a step back and looks at the numbers, as well as the delegate math, Sanders has almost no shot at the nomination.

Let the Sanders supporters have their tartar sauce for the next 4 weeks. It's a small price to pay for the nation's first female President, as Mrs. Clinton returns to the White House in '17, with a Democratic Senate in tow.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
7. The demographics of most of those states reflect the Democratic party.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

We are a big tent ethnically and racially. The first two primaries don't reflect our real party makeup.

Hekate

(90,793 posts)
18. I keep telling "them" that the Dem Party is a big tent, but they keep trying to define it...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

...as smaller and smaller and smaller, down to a pup tent full of "revolutionaries" who are pure of heart and are the only "true" progressives, liberals, and Democrats in the country. Led by Sanders, of course.

Our diversity is our strength -- diversity of ethnicity, gender, economic class, social class, and opinion.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
21. It is why their will be a Democratic President for decades to come.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans will never be able to change the bigoted, intolerant face of their party.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
8. You're a poll guy, so devil's advocate question.....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

how did the final results in IOWA compare to the polls?

and how would one account for the differences?

and why should these ST polls be trusted?


William769

(55,147 posts)
10. The last poll in Iowa was within the margin of error for what happened.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

So yes I would say the polls can be trusted.

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
16. Which polls were closest?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder who had the best prediction. Of course, caucuses are weird and things can change based on the 15% rule which can mess up poll predictions.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
9. Prediction
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

SBS will take Vermont fer sure and will be more competitive in Colo, Minn, and Mass than these polls suggest

he may actually win Colo and Minn

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
12. To clarify, these aren't polls, they're odds on winning the state
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

Not whether they'd be close wins or not, just the chance of winning.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
22. I thought Colorado was a closed primary state.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

Almost 20% of Bernie's votes last night were from Independents. If Iowa had been closed to folks outside the party, Hillary would have won by a landslide.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
13. Super Tuesday only sure state for Bernie is Vermont...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

outside chance I would say in Colorado & Minnesota, but I believe everything else (even MA--where even in 2008 Hillary bucked the Kennedy's endorsement of President Obama) is solidly for Hillary.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Looking at these numbers, it's easy to see that Bernie will not be the nominee. But I wonder ...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

... is there some other data that Bernie's fans are looking at that makes them believe so strongly otherwise? (I mean, OTHER than "rally size" vs "town hall" size and OTHER than counting bumper stickers.)

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
19. I don't think so--they touted his huge rally in Des Moines with pictures comparing and contrasting
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

it with a smaller key Hillary rally and yet Des Moines (Polk County) went solidly for Hillary--in fact, it more than provided her victory margin--so why didn't that huge rally translate into votes? because as we have said many times--rally crowds don't translate into votes. If they did we would have had President McGovern who routinely got bigger crowds than Nixon did in 1972, for example.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
23. I don't think so either.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

They're focusing on the fact that he's leading in NH and was extremely competitive in IA and assuming that the other states will follow suit once the focus shifts. It's an argument that completely ignores demographics.

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
17. This is why Sanders is toast
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:14 PM
Feb 2016

They don't like to hear that because they believe his momentum from this loss-win will switch the states above from Clinton to Sanders massive wins. They really don't want to see the math. It's kind of sad.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
20. I have nothing against the citizens of IA and NH.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

But giving those states such a disproportionate amount of influence is ridiculous. If they voted at the same time as everyone else, the way the race would be covered by the media would be completely different.

HRC is still in an extremely strong position. And yet all we are hearing about is whether she underperformed in IA, and how she's an underdog in NH.

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