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Interesting article I think.-even if we know the main thesis
Bernie Sanders is losing the senior vote
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/bernie-sanders-seniors/
By Dan Merica and Tom LoBianco, CNN
Updated 7:30 AM ET, Tue December 22, 2015
Story highlights
Bernie Sanders, the oldest person in the presidential race, is struggling to win over seniors
"We are doing very badly among older people and I want to change that," he said
Davenport, Iowa ..........................
Sanders' campaign, at the spurring of the candidate, plans to tackle its age gap in the coming weeks by courting older voters and focusing on issues like Social Security and Medicare.
Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager, told CNN the campaign will use "every tool of modern campaigning to reach out to older voters." That includes TV and radio advertising aimed squarely at seniors, as well as direct mail campaigns that will largely focus on Sanders' record on prescription drug costs and protecting Medicare.
"It is obvious that older voters need more information about Bernie Sanders, his record and his agenda," Weaver said. "While it is true that many seniors are online, many seniors are also not and this campaign a lot of younger voters have learned about Bernie's campaign on social media and online, so I think it is fair to say that younger voters are more familiar with him."
There is an irony to this, one that at times baffles Sanders' longtime aides: The Vermont senator, the oldest person in either party running for president, has a reputation in his home state for dropping by retirement homes and community healthcare centers because of his interest in healthcare and he has long talked about Social Security and Medicare, two issues important to seniors.
None of this, however, is winning needed senior support.
Although Sanders' aides feel his problem with older voters is familiarity, conversations with seniors backing Clinton show it is actually her electability and their loyalty to the Clinton family that put the former secretary of state over the edge.
"For me, it is like in my lifetime I would like to see a woman that I agree with in the White House," said Nancy Sweetman, a 71-year old from Mason City............................
"People our age are tired of all the flash in the pan stuff and we would like to see something get done that we agree with. And in that regard I think Hillary is a much stronger candidate than Bernie," said Chuck Sweetman, "I don't think his is electable and I don't want the White House to go to a Republican."
Clinton's agenda.............
still_one
(92,325 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)These are people who answer the phone and vote.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)older voters. Even though they benefit from certain forms of socialism, supporting an actual Socialist is a bridge too far.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)If you're in a liberal Democratic region of the country, particularly Northeast US, West Coast, just about any college town, "socialist" might resonate (so might "free college tuition" - no one would call that pandering).
If you live in "The Flyover States," particularly the South, "socialist" is still fightin' words. As is "taxes," "Northerner," and "Democrat."
We know Hillary is a tough enough row to hoe, but that other guy scares the crap out of us!
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okasha
(11,573 posts)is that we'very seen all this before (George McGovern, Jesse Jackson) and every time the good guy with impeccable leftist credentials lost and we got a horror of a Republican instead. Not going to fall for that again, now when the stakes are higher than they've ever been.
And while the socialist label may be offputting to some, what's offputting to some others is that Bernie's no more an actual socialist than Obama is. He's stuck the label on himself to bolster his image as a rebel and outsider, but it's nothing but political decor.
For us, there's the first and most obvious misrepresentation in his campaign. And I tell you true, if Bernie and his acolytes succeed in turning us all over to the Republicans, there will be hell to pay for generations.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The Rs called Obama one. He's not
okasha
(11,573 posts)Calling himself a Socialist doesn't make him one.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)"For us, there's the first and most obvious misrepresentation in his campaign. And I tell you true, if Bernie and his acolytes succeed in turning us all over to the Republicans, there will be hell to pay for generations."
Add to that the fact that they are relentlessly demonizing the very institutions we need to be successful, especially the DNC, will have far reaching & long term detrimental effects. Someone who joined the party two minutes ago just to take advantage of it's infrastructure and resources should probably back off. Since he hasn't been a member of the party, I doubt he & his acolytes have ever given a dime to the DNC.
SunSeeker
(51,638 posts)Response to riversedge (Original post)
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Cha
(297,497 posts)I think Seniors are smart .. they know who's going to actually get things done for them
"People our age are tired of all the flash in the pan stuff and we would like to see something get done that we agree with. And in that regard I think Hillary is a much stronger candidate than Bernie," said Chuck Sweetman, "I don't think his is electable and I don't want the White House to go to a Republican."
I'm one of them.. we don't listen to the propaganda being spread about Hillary~
Hillary Clinton Wants To Improve Social Security Benefits For Women, Low-Income Seniors
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-social-security_55d1d44de4b07addcb43546e
Bernie Sanders is losing the senior vote
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/bernie-sanders-seniors/
George II
(67,782 posts)So how can you boldly say that Clinton "IS GOING TO RAISE THE RETIREMENT AGE"?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)without any basis. We are lucky to have a candidate who cares about people like Hillary does, who will work hard to help Americans. She is the most qualified and many of the older voters knows she is the best qualified.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)...then said in 2015 she'd let big banks fail.
Which is it?
Her biggest campaign contributors are:
Hillary Clinton, from 1999 to 2015
Do you really think she'll "let big banks fail?"
George II
(67,782 posts)A few points:
1. Did you read the note at the bottom of the chart?
2. Do you realize that you responded to a post about Social Security, not banks?
3. Do you realize that she ran for Senator twice in NEW YORK????
4. Do you realize that you're in the Hillary Clinton Group?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)don't they know they got nothin'?
Cha
(297,497 posts)don't apply to you.
Too bad for you Seniors are going for Hillary .. we're smart.. don't listen to all the propaganda..
"People our age are tired of all the flash in the pan stuff and we would like to see something get done that we agree with. And in that regard I think Hillary is a much stronger candidate than Bernie," said Chuck Sweetman, "I don't think his is electable and I don't want the White House to go to a Republican."
Hillary Clinton Wants To Improve Social Security Benefits For Women, Low-Income Seniors
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-social-security_55d1d44de4b07addcb43546e
Bernie Sanders is losing the senior vote
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/bernie-sanders-seniors/
George II
(67,782 posts)....which can only mean MORE people, which is essentially impossible, so an empty promise.
On the other hand Clinton wants to "enhance" Social Security, which means she wants to improve the benefits that some or all on Social Security are receiving.
It's only one word, but with huge implications. The first is an empty promise that really means nothing, the other is a improvement on the system and the benefits for those receiving Social Security benefits, like my wife and I.
Cha
(297,497 posts)seniors know better.
"People our age are tired of all the flash in the pan stuff and we would like to see something get done that we agree with. And in that regard I think Hillary is a much stronger candidate than Bernie," said Chuck Sweetman, "I don't think his is electable and I don't want the White House to go to a Republican."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/bernie-sanders-seniors/
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)kacekwl
(7,021 posts)on the ballot in Illinois last weekend I had an older gentleman tell me he thought Bernie was too old. Strangest thing I ever heard.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)kacekwl
(7,021 posts)Definitely won't happen again
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)Bernie plans to have a Robin Hood tax (which would affect public retirement funds), tear down Wall Street (where all retirement and annuities are invested), and break up the banks (where all the IRAs are and where most seniors got their mortgages).
The majority of seniors are women - and they like grandmother Hillary.
In return, Bernie will give free tuition to college students (but not control college costs), provide medicare for all (but the seniors already have medicare), and let criminals carry guns over state lines.
Why oh why would seniors think less of Bernie???
What a mystery!! I'm stymied. Come to Florida and meet some seniors. The weather is fine.
BTW: Seniors vote!!!
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NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Go away, to your own protected group. This is ours.
I am a senior and I don't care how many retirement homes and "community healthcare centers" Bernie has visited. I don't live in one, but I know people who do and they're tired of politicians thinking they can just drop by and disrupt. Same thing with the community healthcare centers.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)We witnessed Nixon and Bush II. Because of some wild-eyed idiots, we got two of the worst Presidents in the 20th Century.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)He can't get elected. So happy Hilary is holding strong.
Gloria
(17,663 posts)He's not getting my vote because I can see a ton of bullshit that I've heard for decades...
It's not even about the "1st woman" at this point...it's about toughness against the GOP, common sense,
and wide and deep experience...It's the realization that we are in a fight to win STABILIZATION against the onslaught of right wing
degradation of our progress....it's not about huge revolution, it's about trying to keep what we've won and trying to recapture what we've lost...
Malcolm Gladwell was on Bloomberg's Studio 1.0 today....the had a few quotes in a non-political context that do apply to the way I feel about things re: the campaign...
""If you hold onto things you believed 15 years ago, then you're a joke, you're a fossil"....
"You have have a responsibility as a thinking person to re-visit the things you have thought...otherwise, you are not a thinking person."
Malcolm Gladwell