I seriously cannot fucking stand it anymore.

[Codeine]

The smears, the innuendo, the half-truths and quarter-truths and straight-up no truths are part and parcel of electoral politics, but comparing her to Margaret motherfucking Thatcher is where I have to draw the fucking line.

And they don't even have the decency to e ashamed of saying it! They're doubling down on a cocktail of sexism and pig-ignorance the likes of which I've never seen outside of a GOP debate. They actually think they're helping Sanders, who I honestly believe is a thousand times more decent than his fanbase.

So here I am in the Hillary group, where I promised myself I wouldn't go. Just needed to breath some non-poisonous air, I guess.

[Buzz Clik]

1. It's a shame that they find those vile actions so necessary.

But they do.

[BootinUp]

11. You are posting in the Hillary Clinton (Group) forum. How about

self deleting and then not posting here.

[Rockyj]

13. WOW so you all are really bent on...

dividing us!

[BootinUp]

14. Rocky, there are the main forums where we can snipe at each other or sing kumbaya.

There are various group forums like this WITH DIFFERENT RULES. You can check those rules very easily at the top of the forum. There is even one for Bernies supporters. Cya.

[Cha]

18. Quit trying to "divide" us.. it's not working.

[SunSeeker]

30. Thanks for providing a glaring example of the OP's point. nt

[sheshe2]

35. Lol~

Try GDP if you want division.

[Cha]

17. No, enough with your lame threats. trump isn't going to be president. Hillary is!

[William769]

19. How in the hell is that Hillary supporters fault?

There goes that fucking alternate reality shit again.

You want to know what is dividing people? Just FUCKING read GDP here. Now there's reality on what is dividing people.

You all are so damn pissed right now because your candidate has fucked up and threw the Primary before it's even started, you'll take it out on anybody.

But not here in this Group, and you can take that to the bank!

[ismnotwasm]

22. It's not

It's just typical BS.

[bravenak]

24. I know.

[BainsBane]

23. How can you possibly conclude that is the fault of Clinton supporters?

What a bizarre conclusion.

As for "dividing" us. I posted once in the Bernie group, a laughing emoticon and I was banned after the first post. Groups are for supporters. I actually knew I would get banned from there because I know how these things work, but you evidently think you should be able to blame everything on Clinton and her supporters right in the HRC group. In addition to violating the SOP of the group, it is entirely illogical.

[OilemFirchen]

25. It's quite okay.

A Berniac whining because the broadcast of a Thanksgiving parade cut to a scheduled break? With the requisite suggestion of nefarious intent?



I think it's perfect .

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Why are you posting ads for BS in this group? That's exactly what this is. Self-delete please.

[bravenak]

29. This is pretty funny

[riversedge]

38. Why haven't you delected your post?? It is not needed in Hillary's Group

[bravenak]

2. I know.

[BootinUp]

3. I know.

Its clearly desperation time.

[Rose Siding]

4. Hard to take at times but you just have to laugh

Don't give them any power to upset you. We see what's happening. It's even given me some clarity into point of view.

Last night it was suggested on this board that Hillary destroyed the Dem brand when she was FLOTUS and was personally responsible for Speaker Gingrich. Absurd, right? Gave me the chance to revisit the Harry and Louise ad, and the Contract on America, not that the points made any difference.

[Starry Messenger]

5. Welcome!

It's cluster-fuck out there, for sure.

[GusBob]

6. Comparing her to Margaret Thatcher is the latest thing

Ain't it clever? Relax it's the best the BSers will come up with

I mean, we won't hear from the GOP in the general election lol

[comradebillyboy]

53. On the bright side

the Thatcher comparison, no matter how wrong, will likely get her some republican votes in the general election.

[msrizzo]

7. I just wish I could wake up 6 months from now

This should all be over by then. The Republicans will smear her too, but it hurts when you hear it from people who purport to be Democrats.

[Codeine]

8. I think that is what really gets me.

Posters that I actually like are spewing this shit. I expect the Freeptards to dredge up all their shopworn anti-Hillary screeds and dust them off for reuse, but our side shouldn't ask to borrow that shit too.

\

[mcar]

46. It is disappointing to see

Things are being said that cannot be unsaid. I'm very surprised at all the "Clinton Rules" RW talking points purported "liberals" are dredging up.

[dlwickham]

83. you're making the mistake of assuming the bern bots are on our side

I know at least a few of them who are pretty much really hard core leftists and would never vote for a Democrat

[BlueJazz]

9. "Margaret motherfucking Thatcher"

Damn! Don't know why but that cracked my ass up!

[NastyRiffraff]

48. There was a British TV show back in the '80s

where they called Thatcher "Margaret Bloody Thatcher" every time they referred to her. If you didn't know of her, you could be forgiven for thinking that was her full name.

BTW, the show was Auf Wiedersehn, Pet. One of the true great British comedy/dramas.

[Thinkingabout]

12. We are stronger than the trashers of Hillary, they find their candidate does not

Have the shine of Hillary. Remember she lets this slid off of her Teflon back. We know Hillary is better than any of the other candidate on foreign affairs and her debate performance has been the best. We will have to stand strong, we will not be defeated.

[BainsBane]

15. Surprised it took you this long to get fed up

I've gone through various stages, stayed away for a month because I'd had it with the crap. I've learned to believe nothing said around here.

[SunSeeker]

16. Welcome, Codeine!

[Gothmog]

20. Welcome to this group

We are very friendly

[Cha]

21. Why would you promise yourself not to come here, Codeine? We're just a friendly, healthy group

that is hell bent on getting Hillary elected President of the United States of America!

[riversedge]

33. Love the enthusiasm

[Lil Missy]

26. And they say WE'RE running scared????

It's pathetic. Most of them are delusional - some think Sanders is actually winning/ahead. If I didn't see it with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it.

[Hekate]

54. Remember Baghdad Bob? and Ari Fleischer? They just kept repeating their masters' mantras....

.....over and over and over again, though all the world that was sane knew the entire thing was delusional.

I don't get Bernie. He used to seem above his followers' nuttiness, and now ....

I worked on the Howard Dean campaign, and I hung around here too. "They" called us Deaniacs, but we were focused on getting a real criminal out of the White House, not a fellow Dem. And my memory may be faulty, but by the gods I do not think DU Dean supporters behaved like Sanders supporters.

[Lil Missy]

56. Well heck, I don't have any qualms with Sanders. I don't know why we have to be "enemies".

[Hekate]

58. Never said we were "enemies," or even implied it. But given some of the overheated rhetoric at DU...

...I have to wonder how anyone who is a DU supporter of Bernie could ever bring themselves to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. To great applause (i.e. kicks and recs) she is being called every rightwing name in the book and then some. Now she's Margaret Thatcher. I think they've painted themselves into an ideological corner -- and I don't think the ones posting that crap will ever vote for the Democratic nominee unless it is Bernie.

[Lil Missy]

60. It was a general comment - not directed at you.

[wildeyed]

62. No, Dean supporters were not like this.

I liked Dean too. Maybe Nader supporters were like this? I recall lots of "no difference between Gore and Bush" talk. And we remember how that turned out

[Hekate]

64. There you go. Dr Dean was a Democrat and an adult, who attracted likewise ...

Ralph Nader, otoh, was NOT a Democrat, always despised the Democratic Party, and attracted people who wanted to tear the whole thing down.

Oh wait, that's why this seems so familiar. Despite only being a Dem for the last 2 minutes and having always despised the Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders has a reasonable and avuncular aura when he's not yelling and wagging his finger -- but he seems to have attracted a large cohort of ... online Naderites?

[wildeyed]

66. He is a paternalistic throwback.

Back to the days before civil rights and women's lib when white men could support liberal social causes without having to deal with the reality. Shut up and sit down because Daddy Sanders knows what is best.

I dunno, I might actually like the guy. I do agree with him on most issues. It is just the tone of his online supporters is really off-putting. I think they all come from either Portland, Boulder or Asheville. All nice places, but not really representative of what the Democratic electorate actually looks like. But they seem to feel entitled to call all the shots for the rest of us.

[gwheezie]

27. My lol thread of the day

Is the one where some white guy claims mlk would not support Hillary. I have no idea who mlk would support since I don't communicate with the dead.
This is almost as pathetic as when the right wing clown car insists Reagan would pick one of them over the other.
In the absence of endorsements from ya know the living, they are going for the dead person endorsement.
I don't belittle Bernie's early involvement with the civil rights movement but what is the point of some of his supporters claiming mlk would support him today?

[SunSeeker]

31. LOL. Well I guess the dead can't say no. nt

[Cha]

36. "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

http://hueyfreemanonlyspeaksthetruth.tumblr.com/post/73900745808/you-dont-get-to-use-martin-luther-king-jr-as

bravenak~http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=843729

[bravenak]

37. I love that gif.

[Cha]

39. I love it, too... finally somebody says this with just the right connotation!!!

Huey Freeman

"You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!"

[Hekate]

55. Priceless! I am a longtime fan of Huey and his creator.

[Cha]

68. Aaron McGruder's "You don’t get to use Martin Luther King Jr. as your “Imaginary Black Yes Man”!!!

Is Priceless coming from Huey Freeman, Hekate!

Says it all right there for those who try to use MLK to their own advantage..

Like claiming he "worked for Sanitation workers.. " and leaving out the "Black" part of history. Called "White Washing".

[Starry Messenger]

40. I just resisted posting in that hot mess.

[Gloria]

32. Me, too, considering that the pure as snow Sanders that they idolize

was like a drifter until he became a CAREER POLITICIAN, safely ensconced so he could rattle off his ideology without every really to make a hard decision...
Sanders is really nothing but a blowhard....his supporters seem to think he's a genius, but he really is just that....

[Walk away]

42. That's the creepily interesting part. Bernie is no great shakes but his supporters...

treat him like a saint or a god. Maybe because many of the are young and have immature expectations and the others are just like Huxley's sheep. Baaaah!

Bernie's life and accomplishments have been very small as compared to the icons of the Democratic party like FDR or MLK (who he constantly name drops as if their hard decisions and risks were his).

I really don't think much of Bernie and I think a Democrat in his seat in the Senate would be a better fit but I don't hate him.

[Gloria]

85. I don't hate him either

I enjoyed his segment on Hartmann whrn I listened...but, his supporters need to take a more realistic view, as most of us do regarding Hillary or anyone else..

[charlyvi]

49. But......but....Bernie has magical powers!

That will make the scales fall from the eyes of every Republican senator and congressman. They will fall over themselves to do Bernie's bidding, to pass everything he wants! He won't face the same obstruction and hostility that our last two Democratic presidents have faced. Oh no, not Bernie. After all, he's only been a Democrat for five minutes so they won't hold that against him.

[Control-Z]

57. I can't believe he's getting a pass

on something like 16 years of doing nothing of value. No one questions those years. How is that possible?

[sheshe2]

34. KmR!

[riversedge]

41. Some Hilary loving to cheer you up

:large

Lisa Changadveja ?@lisachangadveja 17h17 hours ago

THANK YOU Jongsun, Brian & Sandrea for canvassing for @HillaryClinton in #Virginia this wknd! #AAPIforHillary pic.twitter.com/cUYccdvhni





Reno, NV rally at school, Nov 23:


Judge Clay Jenkins ?@JudgeClayJ Nov 17 Dallas, TX

It's so appropriate to have @HillaryClinton visit @MVCOnline, a @dcccd campus, b/c she wants free community college!

[yardwork]

43. Comparisons to Thatcher are so absurd, I don't know where to begin...

[dlwickham]

84. two strong women

and that's all I have

[yardwork]

86. Apparently that is enough for some.

[Walk away]

44. Wow! You must have missed the Hillary/Hitler posts!

I was thinking Thatcher was mild compared to the Nixon, Stalin and the Devil comparisons!

[Codeine]

45. I must have gotten lucky. nt

[yallerdawg]

47. Yeah, they lost me...

when they argued Hillary was not 'progressive' when she has a progressive record, when her election to the presidency would be progressive, when her election would be a movement forward in classic and modern progressivism which has always been about expanding human and individual rights - well, they lost me, and put me firmly in the Hillary camp.

I'm sure progressive, liberal Democrats can see through the rightwing, misogynistic Hillary-Hater disrupting posts and comments.

What Senator Sanders (I-VT) said:

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day.

[wildeyed]

63. She is tough and smart.

She wins some and loses some, but she always gets back up to fight another day. She is not as pristine as Sanders, but that is because she is more accomplished and experienced. Democracy is messy and involves compromise. People who win elections and get stuff done are never going to come out looking perfect. And things are fixing' to get really messy on the international stage. Not sure if I an ideologue with no foreign policy experience is the best choice right now.

There is something throwback and paternalistic about Sanders. He started his campaign with no women and (could be wrong, I didn't look at all the pictures) no minorities on his campaign staff. But we all need to sit down, shut up and listen because daddy Sanders knows what is best for all of us. I dunno, to me that is talking the talk, but not walking the walk. Economic progressivism is only part of the picture.

[BootinUp]

50. Bernie Sanders cross-over voters

Sorry, didn't want to start a new thread, but just wanted to say that Bernie Sanders cross-over voters scare the shit out of me.

[Hekate]

65. Judging by the online frothing, they won't stick around to vote for any nominee who is not Bernie...

...even if he were to wholeheartedly endorse >ahem< someone else during the Convention. It's sad in a way, but by their rhetoric ("There can be only ONE&quot they've ultimately made themselves irrelevant to the Party.

[BlueCaliDem]

51. I feel your righteous anger, Codeine. Welcome to the Hillary Clinton Group!

[Hekate]

52. "Pig ignorance " -- ah, that was the phrase I was looking for. Thank you, and welcome.

My gods, Margaret Thatcher?! I was a bit gobsmacked.

[fleabiscuit]

59. Absolutly

I'll be most happy when BS's ego finally won't let him continue with the dismal polls and the bernouts and fakeouts find new pasture.

[wildeyed]

61. Oh hai, me too!

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Waaaaay back in the spring, I came here to lurk a bit. Hadn't even decided who I liked in the primary yet. And then my head exploded when I read a pro-Sanders thread that said if you didn't support Sanders you could not call yourself a real liberal. It was just so ignorant, pointless and divisive. Last go round I knew many, many liberal activists who supported Clinton. People with total credibility who put hours and hours of volunteer work into liberal causes. And some ignorant internet warrior, probably never knocked a door, dialed a phone, or even voted in a primary before, is here as the liberal gate keeper. Bite me.

It gets so annoying, the endless propaganda. It is BORING. I am BORED and ANNOYED by Bernie Sanders, a candidate I mostly agree with, thanks to his clueless supporters. I want to have some sort of substantive discussion about something other than how Bernie is soooooo super-awesome and badazzzz. And about how it is CLEAR that anyone who does not agree with their opinion is an idiot (they have PROOF!), or not liberal enough of some shit. I tore into a Facebook friend for posting misleading and stupid pro-Sanders polling info that was actually spin by some b-team, wannabe GOP operatives. But it was pro-Sanders and anti-Clinton, so he posted it right up. I was on Twitter today, trying to figure out what was going on in Minneapolis because there was nothing in the mainstream press, and they are spamming the BLM hashtags with non-sequitur posts about their candidate. I guess they think this is helping with his image problem in the black community? No, it is not. Making an activist/breaking news hashtag about black protesters getting shot in front of a police station by a couple of white guys in ski-masks about YOU and YOUR candidate is not helping. It is myopic, self centered and BORING. You know what helps a candidate? Work. Get on the phones, knock some doors, have a house party. Get off the inter webs and do some damn work (AND GET OFF MY LAWN WHILE YOU ARE AT IT) :shakescane:

I miss posting at DU. I don't have a huge post count, but I keep my star current. I usually post a bunch during elections or big national stories. Would love to talk about Syria, but the top three are four stories on the Greatest are about someone named Killer Mike introducing Sanders at a rally and one about how suck Hillary Clinton supporters are. Sigh. I guess I need to stick to LBN.

[freshwest]

71. You have really been paying attention. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks! n/t

[GusBob]

67. And now we are to believe that BS is the second coming of MLK

lazy lazy revisionist history

[BootinUp]

81. Whats so strange about that?

DU never really surprises.

[Change has come]

69. People actually think you're sincere.

Well done

These folks are gonna lick this shit up!

[Cha]

70. Codiene Speaks the Truth.. we've all seen the shite for ourselves and it's not us "licking

it up."

[Codeine]

79. What the hell are you on about? nt

[dutch drunkle]

72. I'm shocked as well

Sure, I figured there'd be some Sanders supporters on a Democratic site, but had no idea supporting Hillary Clinton was some kind of sin!

[Cha]

73. Yeah, we're so "sinful".. LOL consider the source..

Welcome to DU, dd!

[dutch drunkle]

74. Thank You, Fellow Blasphemer Against Our Savior Sanders

Yea verily, when we art Cast Down by the Holy Bernardites, I promise thee a nice cold beer in Democratic Hell

[Cha]

75. Could I have a nice cold

Gingerade Kombucha, instead.. oh unworthy one..

[dutch drunkle]

76. Does a Gingerade Kombucha have alcohol in it?

Otherwise.....

[Cha]

77. Minute but it's there.. enough to qualify!

[applegrove]

78. The MT idea probably came out of a GOP troll factory and

is spread to the interweb by paid GOP trolls. We know they pushed the 'never vote for Hillary' stance on the DU a few months back. Then when we pushed back as Hillary supporters who promised to vote for Bernie if he wins.. they were apoplectic. Hillary stood her ground brilliantly (and stuck with reality which the GOP hates) during the Benghazi hearings and we had a very, very quiet time for weeks after. I'm guessing the GOP didn't want Democrats getting some practice in standing up for Hillary and remembering her eating gop's lunch on that great Benghazi hearing day, lest it sink in to a really deep feeling of respect for her as an unflappable leader. A deep feeling that would be hard to unseat. No horrid Clinton slurs for 3 weeks.. I say we, democrats who support Hillary, should trumpet our horns and say Hillary was brilliant during the Benghazi hearings. Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi. She owns the word now. Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi for Hillary. Benghazi.

[Ellen Forradalom]

80. I often wonder if

many of the younger Sandernistas grew up during the Clinton Derangement Syndrome years and never really learned what a pile of bullshit that was.

[dlwickham]

82. the bern bots are pretty special