Meet the Type of Liberal Who’s Going to Hand Republicans the White House in 2016

[William769]

In my time in politics, I’ve read plenty of articles where someone tries to analyze data to make a point, only to fail miserably. My rule tends to be that people who don’t know how to read polls (or understand when they should be taken seriously) really shouldn’t try to analyze them.

This brings me to an article on The Huffington Post by H.A. Goodman titled “10 Reasons I’m Only Voting for Bernie Sanders and Will Not Support Hillary Clinton” which might be the biggest pile of garbage on 2016 I’ve seen yet. Not just because that mindset is probably the dumbest possible type of “logic” I see coming from some liberals, but his arguments against Clinton are so flawed and ridiculous that I’m shocked this trash was even allowed to be published.

He starts off by selectively handpicking several polls trying to prove that Clinton is “unelectable” because in a few of these polls her “trustworthiness” has been questioned and her favorability numbers weren’t great. That sounds really bad until you realize the article he links to “prove” this was taken from polling numbers done in July and August – even reaching back to a CNN poll done in June – when Clinton’s campaign was struggling. Clearly the last 6 weeks she’s had a massive resurgence, with the polling numbers to prove it.

In fact, in the newest Quinnipiac poll, Clinton’s favorability (42 percent) is higher than Sanders’ (39). Oh, and Ben Carson comes in as the “leader” for overall “trustworthiness” – even ahead of Sanders – just to give you an idea of how unreliable those numbers are in general.

Just for the record, anyone who actually knows how to read polls or write about polling results wouldn’t cite numbers from 4-5 months ago when there have been several updated polls done since then showing updated results. Goodman obviously wanted to use the older polling results which were much more favorable toward Sanders to suit his narrative.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/meet-type-liberal-hand-republicans-white-house-in-2016/

[Starry Messenger]

1. Great! Awesome rebuttal to all of HA Goodman's propaganda.

Points destroyed.

[William769]

2. You can always count on the Hillary group to be one of the last vestiges...

[Starry Messenger]

10. and on the front lines!

[Thinkingabout]

3. You are so right, take information from the poll which supports the point he is trying

to sell to those who wants this story sold to them. It is not going to change the poll numbers for Sanders and the next day when a new updated poll is published and the numbers have turned it is going to be a shock to his followers. When I see the article comes from H A Goodman, I leave the area, he is a rags writer, FOX trained to tell lies and is not a responsible writer.

[yallerdawg]

4. All we've been saying:

The bottom line is, as I’ve said plenty of times before, the number one goal for everyone on the left in 2016 must be to keep a Republican out of the White House. I don’t care if it’s Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, one of those two must win; I’ve been extremely consistent on this from the very start. Not only is control of the Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years up for grabs, but a Republican winning in 2016 would literally set progressives back decades.

That only happens if progressives and liberals let it happen. Because the truth is, if the progressive/liberal vote shows up – we win. If Republicans do win in 2016, it’s going to be short-sighted jackasses like H.A. Goodman who will be the ones to blame. In their immature lust for ideological purity, they apparently believe that getting 80 percent of what they want is somehow worse than getting practically none of it. This moronic fantasyland belief that Hillary Clinton would somehow be as bad or worse than Trump, Carson or Cruz shouldn’t make the slightest bit of sense to anyone who’s even remotely rational.

[freshwest]

5. Be sure to read the Comments! I can post some, but maybe folks should go to the link.

At last report, over 400 peeps, many of whom are Sanders supporters open up a major can of whup ass on this guy.

Guess he's been co-opted by a Koch front group for the cash or just found Karl Rove's agenda to be just as lucrative.

If anyone wants to see those red-hot retorts, I'll post the ones that have been shared with me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. UNTIL we win back one of the other 2....

we need to KEEP the veto pen....at all costs.

[freshwest]

7. True.. Utah state lege is now working on how to get around the numbers of states for an Article IV.

These are the people also being elected to D.C. We'll be living by Kochstitution rule for generations if they do, losing what we have counted on all the way past the Founders. Their Tenther movement would nullify all the amendments after it. We would be living in fifty Koch fiefdoms run by theocratic fascists. Keep the veto pen and work on the rest. If we lose it, the current gang will take away all we worked for in our lives. Equality will become a curse word.

[Cha]

8. I know.. Willful cherry picking to try and make their unsubstantiated point..

"He starts off by selectively handpicking several polls trying to prove that Clinton is “unelectable” because in a few of these polls her “trustworthiness” has been questioned and her favorability numbers weren’t great.."

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Just for the record, anyone who actually knows how to read polls or write about polling results wouldn’t cite numbers from 4-5 months ago when there have been several updated polls done since then showing updated results. Goodman obviously wanted to use the older polling results which were much more favorable toward Sanders to suit his narrative.

So clever.. Poor things.. they're going to have even more issues down the road with their way or their way proclamations.

Thank you for this from Forward Progressives, William.

[sheshe2]

9. KnR!

[George II]

11. Throughout the summer and into the fall, Clinton's "favorability" rating...

...has consistently been higher than Sanders'.

[SunSeeker]

12. Great take-down of that lying hack Goodman.

Some of the points in that piece could apply to a few folks here on DU too:

If you’re someone who really believes Clinton is no better than a Republican, you should never be taken seriously when discussing politics again.

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/meet-type-liberal-hand-republicans-white-house-in-2016/

[gordyfl]

13. Hillary's Poll Numbers

Here's the poll from your article.

One thing I see that is consistent is the rise of Bernie Sanders and the descending numbers of Hillary Clinton.

Follow the chart from bottom to top. Bernie's numbers are right next to Hillary's, so it's easy to compare. You can see a pattern.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

[Cha]

14. Actually you have that just opposite.. The rise of Hillary and the decline of BS.. the more people

know how experienced and capable she is the stronger her polls are. Think the Benghazi hearings and the 1st Debate.. and the Democratic Forum.