The next time some berniebro claims Hillary isn't liberal...use this

[workinclasszero]

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.

4:54 PMMAY 19, 2015 By HARRY ENTEN

A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal!

Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate. According to an analysis of roll call votes by Voteview, Clinton’s record was more liberal than 70 percent of Democrats in her final term in the Senate. She was more liberal than 85 percent of all members. Her 2008 rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama, was nearby with a record more liberal than 82 percent of all members — he was not more liberal than Clinton.

Clinton also has a history of very liberal public statements. Clinton rates as a “hard core liberal” per the OnTheIssues.org scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders. And while Obama is also a “hard core liberal,” Clinton again was rated as more liberal than Obama.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

So sick of the constant lies about Hillary from supporters of Bernie Sanders, a man who is proud he never was a liberal democrat!

[Gman]

1. Purists don't care

It's 100% or nothing.

[workinclasszero]

3. Well they supposedly worship Senator Warren

and this shows Hillary just as liberal as she is.

Yeah its not going to change any hardcore bernie fan but I like hitting their BS/BS fantasies up side the head with reality as much as possible.

These people are really gonna have a major break with reality when the primaries start next year LOL

[Gman]

15. Yup

It won't be pretty either.

[treestar]

22. Exactly, just like right wingers

calling Bush a liberal.

Their way or the highway and they do not care what other people's views are - they just don't count.

[workinclasszero]

5. No it isn't

We aren't talkin about the rest of the world for one.

Good way to try and change the subject which is Hillary is just as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and slightly less than Bernie, but thanks for playing.

[EdwardBernays]

7. no

words have a meaning... just because Americans think Hillary is a "liberal" doesn't mean she is...

And we live in a global community now...

When one candidate talks about liberal European policies and then another candidate's supporters claim their candidate is "liberal" you have to understand what words mean to have a meaningful conversation...

Hillary's "liberal" positions aren't liberal relative to what Bernie is espousing in many respects.

Americans just are too insular to be able to have meaningful discussions about anything other than America, which isn't the world America has to deal with in 2015. And of course as voters wise up and realise there's more options than centre-right and hard-right real definitions become crucial.

So no, Hillary isn't "liberal".

[workinclasszero]

9. Wrong

And we live in a global community now...

So what? You are changing the subject again. Europe has nothing to do with the democratic party primary in america.

You keep tryin to change the facts: Clinton rates as a “hard core liberal” per the OnTheIssues.org scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders.

[Cha]

12. yeah, words have meaning.. and just because you don't think she is.. doesn't really mean anything.

So Yes.. Hillary is Liberal and Progressive.

And, so is President Obama.

[Cha]

19. The same goes for you. You can believe anything you like but it doesn't make it so.

[upaloopa]

26. No Bernie is not the standard neither are you

Anybody can say words that does not make them anything. It is what you do not what you say you are going to do.
The President of Denmark called Bernie out the other day so quit with that European bull shit.

[Cha]

10. No, you have no clue what you're going on about. Do your homework and then post.

[Starry Messenger]

17. Thanks for telling us how America works dude.

We are still fighting the Civil War here, in case you don't live here. Our Republican party is like the Tories and the BNP got married. If *they* get into power, we can keep ourselves warm at night on the conversations about how the person who could have stopped them wasn't "technically" a liberal or leftist in the global sense.

[treestar]

23. This is not Europe

She would not cut paid leave that already existed!

It's a matter of getting things in this country.

[TheBlackAdder]

4. Jury Results

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The next time some berniebro claims Hillary isn't liberal...use this
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Enough with the name calling. Defend your candidate, but disparaging other Democrats like this is not ok. Please hide this.

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[Rose Siding]

8. re: Juror 3

The time I accidentally found myself in the BS group, there were 2 thread titles that used "Clintonistas"

Didn't mind it much, just sayin'

[workinclasszero]

11. Right I've seen worse lol

Bernie fans seem real thin skinned and humorless.

I guess its all the bad polling news for Bernie on a daily basis

[workinclasszero]

6. Thanks for the votes jurors

Man you cant even defend Hillary in her own group without being alert stalked!

This place is sad as hell anymore.

[Cha]

13. They lost though.. haha. 5-2-LOSER.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Welcome to the family ... Just wait to they start alerting on the Group's Hosts ...

for trying to maintain order!

[workinclasszero]

31. I don't get the purpose of a group area

for Hillary if you can be alerted on for posting on it.

[BillZBubb]

16. Are you trying to argue Hillary is more liberal than Sanders? Or even in the same ballpark?

I don't buy it. Voting records simply reflect what issues are actually brought up for a vote. They are no indication of what issues a president will fight hard to get brought up for a vote.

Obama was a liberal in the Senate, but he is a centrist president. I expect much of the same if Hillary is president. A president Sanders would be much farther to the left--at least in what he wanted to accomplish.

[Cha]

18. You have no clue about President Obama. You know nothing of his record. You're just repeating

nonsense.

Hillary is a Progressive and she has a history of getting things done.

Bernie not so much.

[workinclasszero]

20. Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.

Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.



http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. Yup. And if polling is any indication, the Democratic party is not following BS, they're behind....

"the centrist" (as she's called). So, nobody really cares about the collection of Greens, Libertarians & Socialists that BS has managed to cobble together to mount a "challenge" to actual Democrats.

[William769]

21. Kick & highly recommended!

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. And Hillary's been a "liberal" a lot longer than Warren, who was still registered Repuke thru Bush I

[workinclasszero]

25. +100

For truth!

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. But that's just data analysis from a data analysis outfit ...

"I think" is a far better indicator.

[LiberalArkie]

28. No it can't be true. She told everyone she was a moderate. Don't tell me that people

can change their mind.

[LiberalArkie]

30. Also on govtrack.us she is rated right with those famous conservatives Ted Kennedy, Dianne Fienstein

Widen, Cantwell, Inouye.

[Thinkingabout]

33. She has stood for liberal ideas for a long time, she is much better on the gun issues that Sanders.