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splat

(2,294 posts)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:47 PM Jul 2016

Why doesn't Hillary confront these slanders -- liar, corrupt, etc. -- head on?

My Facebook feed is full of people who believe what Bernie (and the GOP) have said about her, and point out that she never denies and disproves the allegations or calls BS on it all.

Only making Bernie vice president has a chance of changing their minds, and BErnie would have to campaign on "didn't mean it" as much as on the "revolution."

WHy did she let this go on so long? People fault her for that, too, if it's all not true.

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Why doesn't Hillary confront these slanders -- liar, corrupt, etc. -- head on? (Original Post) splat Jul 2016 OP
Because replying to them legitimizes them. Besides, if Hillary spent stopbush Jul 2016 #1
i agree. nt DesertFlower Jul 2016 #23
She is hated by both the extreme left and extreme right Legends303 Jul 2016 #2
many reasons mercuryblues Jul 2016 #3
It is all a circus -- responding only legitimizes it cosmicone Jul 2016 #4
The haters won't win Cary Jul 2016 #5
I heard part of the interview with Charlie Rose and she did a great job responding to his spooky3 Jul 2016 #6
I just watched 25 minutes .... LAS14 Jul 2016 #26
No, but this info at CBS site sounds like what I remembered. spooky3 Jul 2016 #27
I want to see her stand up for herself splat Jul 2016 #7
Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to Hillary... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #9
It's all noise and best to ignore.... beachbumbob Jul 2016 #8
The electorate has just started paying attention to her splat Jul 2016 #10
Concernucopia! BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #11
Lots of retired journalists, musicians and artists in my FB feed splat Jul 2016 #13
How would you respond if it were you? Her Sister Jul 2016 #12
SHE has to solve this problem splat Jul 2016 #16
She doesn't need to, it would basically accomplish nothing. And "Bernie" has nothing to do with it George II Jul 2016 #14
Since when did bravery and integrity accomplish nothing? splat Jul 2016 #15
Hillary spent eleven hours testifying before Congress, eleven hours straigth. The Republicans was Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #17
I think you are wasting our time in this group with your very insistent concern Her Sister Jul 2016 #18
I'm sorry you feel that way. I knew her at Wellesley. I want her to win. splat Jul 2016 #19
She is & will continue to do so: Her Sister Jul 2016 #20
You knew her at Wellesley? mcar Jul 2016 #21
Yes. splat Jul 2016 #22
Next week wysi Jul 2016 #24
Don't go on the defense GvilleDem Jul 2016 #25
Because it would be a waste of her time. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #28
Because she doesn't want opponents to dictate the narrative. DawgHouse Jul 2016 #29

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
1. Because replying to them legitimizes them. Besides, if Hillary spent
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

all her time responding to lies she wouldn't have time to do anything positive. She is fighting on her turf, not on the illegitimate turf of the slanderers.

 

Legends303

(481 posts)
2. She is hated by both the extreme left and extreme right
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

responding to the hate will yes legitimized them and also they are really have a deep seated hatred of her so it's like talking to a brick wall.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
3. many reasons
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jul 2016

the 2 main ones are

1/ women. Women do not have the luxury of fighting back. When they do they are called many sexist names. She can't do this directly. You have heard of the "tone" argument. All kinds of comments about her voice. These types of comments are almost always used against women. Now combine that with her combating these lies, personally.

2/ No matter what Clinton does, someone will always criticize her. You say people are complaining that she isn't fighting back against the lies. If she does fight back people will complain that she is too bossy, takes things too personal and so on. If you hadn't noticed whatever she does, people will complain she isn't doing it right.


Just that fact that they would vote for her is Bernie is selected to be VP, shows to me that they don't believe the lies. They are just using them as an excuse to not vote for her.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
4. It is all a circus -- responding only legitimizes it
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jul 2016

She will have a phenomenal party all next week and the repuke smears will be a distant memory. Hillary all the way thereafter.

spooky3

(34,458 posts)
6. I heard part of the interview with Charlie Rose and she did a great job responding to his
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jul 2016

mischaracterization of, and rather rude confrontation regarding, some of the email issues.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
26. I just watched 25 minutes ....
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jul 2016

.... of that interview (all that was a vailable on Bloomberg.com) and no e-mail stuff. Might you know of a clip that does cover it?

splat

(2,294 posts)
7. I want to see her stand up for herself
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jul 2016

I think that would show she has the balls to lead the world.

It's a test no American woman has ever faced before. She can't duck it and I expect she will do very well with it.


(The answers many of you offered sound like they might apply to someone like me, a shy person, were I to improbably find mysef in her position. Better her than me.)

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
9. Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to Hillary...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jul 2016

or you wouldn't have the impression she hasn't been responding for three decades!

Benghazi, email, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Russia, trade, Keystone - all asked and answered repeatedly.

I'm happy with the answers. The opposition will never be happy with those facts, so they will never shut up!

splat

(2,294 posts)
10. The electorate has just started paying attention to her
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

Passive silence is not best.

Your past means nothing to those who were busy elsewhere or not yet born.

When Hillary has their attention, at the convention and beyond, she needs to insist on her authentic self. Suffering 30 years in dignified silence is what our mothers had to do, and did.

No wonder they didn't think they could be president!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
11. Concernucopia!
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

ETA: The presence of such nonsense in your Facebook feed is something you have the power to change. It also says a lot about the company you keep on Facebook, but hey, to each their own.

splat

(2,294 posts)
13. Lots of retired journalists, musicians and artists in my FB feed
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

Who would you recommend I replace them with?

These people should not be hostile to her, although many will vote for her because they do not want Trump and remember Nader.

She can win them but not by ignoring the mud.

splat

(2,294 posts)
16. SHE has to solve this problem
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

I don't mean to be be flip, but your question is way above my pay grade or aspiration.

Hillary has to break the new ground here, not me.

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. She doesn't need to, it would basically accomplish nothing. And "Bernie" has nothing to do with it
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

And he won't be her VP pick.

Let that go, please.

splat

(2,294 posts)
15. Since when did bravery and integrity accomplish nothing?
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jul 2016

People need to be able to imagine her confronting Putin, not just smiling in the face of horrific insults.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Hillary spent eleven hours testifying before Congress, eleven hours straigth. The Republicans was
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jul 2016

not able to get the response from her they wanted. Why not question the desires of the Republicans, they are the ones who are pushing the scandals?

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
18. I think you are wasting our time in this group with your very insistent concern
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

This is the Hillary Group and we know all these accusations are bullshit and psychopathic
...and we are going to vote for her.


splat

(2,294 posts)
19. I'm sorry you feel that way. I knew her at Wellesley. I want her to win.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jul 2016

I am going to vote for her, too. But I want a lot more people to vote for her as well.

And yes, she sat in the front row and asked questions after the bell back then.

She would want to do her very best.

splat

(2,294 posts)
22. Yes.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jul 2016

I had occasion to call the WH during Bill's term over a tech issue, and mentioned this. There was a vetting question only a Wellesley woman would know. I won't reveal it in case it is still in use.

wysi

(1,512 posts)
24. Next week
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jul 2016

Our party will put on a positive, unified show, unlike the shitstorm happening in Cleveland this week. It's the best of all possible responses.

GvilleDem

(41 posts)
25. Don't go on the defense
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary looks bad every time she goes on the defense, as most women do. Women always get backlash when we try to defend ourselves and we go from being the victim, to asking for it. She needs to stay of the offense to appear strong rather than the defense where she comes off as a shrill, hysterical woman who is too sensitive. I wish to God she could just call everyone out on the BS they throw at her but every time she even tries a little it goes horrible for her. Women have a very tight rope to walk on in politics, I am so proud that she is doing as well as she is. I don't think any other woman could do better. We all need to voice our support and don't back down. We have a lot of material for why Hillary is the best candidate, we can be her defense.

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
28. Because it would be a waste of her time.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jul 2016

The ones slinging the mud are stuck in the sludge and aren't going to change their minds or be convinced that HRC, the DNC or DWS are anything but crooks. The rest are RW trolls who just want to disrupt and cause divisiveness in the Democratic Party. We endured 8 years of this crap during the Clinton administration, have had to deal with all the racial and insulting remarks against President Obama and after all that we are stronger than ever.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
29. Because she doesn't want opponents to dictate the narrative.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jul 2016

She's addressed all these things in the past. Her opponents don't want her to address the allegations, they want her to quit.

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