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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:19 PM May 2016

Why Hillary Clinton Needs to Win California..(She doesnt..need to win...but like to see a end to BS


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-why-hillary-clinton-needs-win-california-n583051


Why Hillary Clinton needs to win California next week

Yes, Hillary Clinton is just 72 delegates away from crossing the 2,383 magic number needed for a majority of delegates to win the Democratic convention. Yes, she's likely to hit that milestone before polls even close in California (due to the New Jersey primary and its 126 pledged delegates). And, yes, even if she loses in California by 10 points, her lead over Bernie Sanders in pledged delegates would still be twice the size of Obama's lead over Clinton in 2008.

But here's the reason why Clinton needs to beat Sanders in California next week: She doesn't want to give him any legitimate rationale to remain in the race beyond June 7 or June 14 (the final primary in DC). Why? Because as our colleague Dante Chinni writes, the moment Sanders exits the race, her poll numbers against Trump will increase. "[T]o get a better look at where the Clinton-Trump race might stand after the nominating dust has settled, we recalculated the latest NBC/WSJ poll with Clinton capturing 70 percent of the Sanders-only vote. The result: those Sanders-only voters are worth an extra five points to Clinton. In the NBC/WSJ poll, Clinton's advantage over Trump goes from three points to eight points and she leads 51 percent to 43 percent."

Maybe that's why Clinton has canceled an event in New Jersey this week to spend more time in California, as NBC's Kristen Welker reported on "Today" this morning.

the past month is move the goal posts while trailing Clinton by 270 pledged delegates and more than 700 overall delegates. Here was Sanders before New York's primary, which he lost by 16 points: "We will win a major victory here in New York next Tuesday." And here he was before the Pennsylvania primary, which he lost by 12 points: "You know what? I think we're going to win here in Pennsylvania next week." And here was Sanders on "Meet the Press" last Sunday: "I think we have a good chance to win in California, maybe win big, and maybe win four or five of the other states that are off on June 7th… California is the big enchilada, so to speak."

Given these past statements, even if Sanders loses in California, it's possible to see him continue his campaign. But a loss in the Golden State would leave him without any legitimate rationale to flip superdelegates, especially when he trails in pledged delegates and the popular vote. And Sanders even acknowledged that reality on "Meet": "Obviously, if we don't do well in California, it will make our path much, much harder. No question about it," he said. The current Democratic delegate math:

In pledged delegates, Clinton currently holds a lead of 270 delegates

Clinton 1,770 (54%)
Sanders 1,500 (46%)

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Why Hillary Clinton Needs to Win California..(She doesnt..need to win...but like to see a end to BS (Original Post) Iamaartist May 2016 OP
She doesn't need to win shit realmirage May 2016 #1
she will win anyway, but to get rid of his ego would be great.... Iamaartist May 2016 #2
No, she does not NEED riversedge May 2016 #3
Got it off Hillary news site....I would like her to win for sake of getting rid of BS..... Iamaartist May 2016 #6
Yeag but it sets up a false scenario realmirage May 2016 #8
I certainly am all for that. Past time for that to happen. riversedge May 2016 #12
I think he'll stick around puffy socks May 2016 #16
Either way realmirage May 2016 #10
No man ever had to give over 5 convention committee seats to the losing candidate either. BobbyDrake May 2016 #5
Sexist Clickbait realmirage May 2016 #7
This article makes absoutely no sense to me. Sorry, but it's just cable news type garbage. Walk away May 2016 #4
More moving of the goalposts because Hillary is stopbush May 2016 #9
JUNE 7TH WILL BE THE END ,SHE WILL WIN..... Iamaartist May 2016 #11
630 delegates in the three states she'll probably win, so that should be worth about 370... George II May 2016 #13
I'll say this... SaschaHM May 2016 #14
The word is "leverage" jmowreader May 2016 #15
 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
1. She doesn't need to win shit
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

Just more double standard bullshit for women. No man ever had to meet these expectations. Double the work for the same pay? That's the new progressivism I guess.

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
3. No, she does not NEED
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:30 PM
May 2016

to win CA. love the " Double the work for the same pay? That's the new progressivism I guess" but I have never viewed the toad as a progressive.


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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
6. Got it off Hillary news site....I would like her to win for sake of getting rid of BS.....
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

She doesn't need to win but be nice to put BS to rest....

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
8. Yeag but it sets up a false scenario
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

that she needs to do anything other than get more votes like every single man that came before her. If they had balls they'd be saying that instead

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
16. I think he'll stick around
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

regardless. He's loving the attention and he needs every last dollar he can scrape up to pay his campaign debts.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
5. No man ever had to give over 5 convention committee seats to the losing candidate either.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:32 PM
May 2016

Or had the losing candidate try to dictate who their VP pick was going to be. Or have the credentials of convention committee chairmen questioned for no other reason than they supported the winning candidate.

You're right, realmirage, Hillary doesn't need to win shit. She's already won the nomination. Everything else about the Democratic primary now is just clickbait.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
4. This article makes absoutely no sense to me. Sorry, but it's just cable news type garbage.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

Reasons, excuses and momentum mean nothing. Delegates Delegates DELEGATES!!!!!!

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
9. More moving of the goalposts because Hillary is
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

a woman/a Clinton/a Democrat/fill in the blank.

Besides, Hillary could pull 60% in CA and Sanders still won't step aside due to male privilege/owes too much $/not really a D/fill in the blank.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. 630 delegates in the three states she'll probably win, so that should be worth about 370...
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

....delegates, putting her about 300 ABOVE the needed 2383, not to mention a few delegates in Montana and the Dakotas.

Once that happens the 100+ uncommitted superdelegates will be flocking to her campaign.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
14. I'll say this...
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

She doesn't need to win CA, but it would be a nice moral victory. She does, however, need to end the night at 2026 pledged delegates, something that's more like to happen then not since she's ahead in the state and probably has 46-47% baked in no matter what. That ends the Sanders narrative effectively. This CA is the biggest prize narrative is just another goal post cooked up by the media and the Sanders campaign to have their horse race. The real number of the night is 257 (this excludes the June 4/5th primaries). She's going to get that from PR + NJ + CA easily because these are places where Sanders will never pull off landslides. That is all she needs to have a majority of the pledged delegates something that Sanders can't argue with.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
15. The word is "leverage"
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

It's not JUST keeping Bernie out of the general election. It's keeping Cornel West out of the Platform Committee. The more Hillary stomps Bernie by, the less room he has to pull his shenanigans.

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