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sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:07 PM May 2016

'The Unsinkable Molly Brown' is mocked here as a Hillary gotcha. Do you have a clue who she was?

Molly Brown Biography

Activist, Theater Actress, Philanthropist (1867–1932)






Philanthropist and activist Molly Brown was best known for her social welfare work on behalf of women, children and workers. She was also a survivor of the sinking of the 'Titanic.'

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Synopsis

Born in Missouri in 1867, Molly Brown was an American human-rights activist, philanthropist and actress who survived the sinking of the RMS Titanic. Brown and her husband moved to Denver, Colorado, after achieving great prosperity through the discovery of gold at one of his mines in 1893. While traveling in Europe, Brown got word that her grandson was ill, and subsequently booked a trip back to the United States on the RMS Titanic, famously surviving the ship's sinking. She later took up a number of activist causes, including women's suffrage and workers' rights, and also worked as an actress. She died on October 26, 1932 in New York City.

More: http://www.biography.com/people/molly-brown-20638583#synopsis

Marriage and Activism

Molly and J.J. Brown struggled financially in the early days of their marriage. They had their first child, Lawrence Palmer Brown, in 1887, and a daughter, Catherine Ellen, followed two years later. As her husband rose up the ranks at the mining company, Brown became active in the community, helping miners and their families and working to improve the town's schools. Molly Brown was never interested in fitting in with the other leading citizens of Leadville, preferring to dress in dramatic hats.

The Browns achieved great prosperity through the discovery of gold at Little Johnny Mine in 1893, with J.J. being given a subsequent partnership at the Ibex Mining Company. The family moved to Denver the following year, Colorado, where Molly helped found the Denver Women's Club. She also raised money for children's causes and continued to help mine workers. And in an unheard of feat for women at the time, Brown also ran for a Colorado state senate seat at the turn of the century, though she eventually withdrew from the race.


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More: http://www.biography.com/people/molly-brown-20638583#the-unsinkable-mrs-brown

'The Unsinkable Mrs. Brown'

The Titanic struck an iceberg on April 14, 1912, around 11:40 p.m., and sank in only a few hours. Brown was able to get on one of the ship's few lifeboats and was later rescued by the Carpathia. Aboard the Carpathia, a battered Brown did whatever she could to help the other survivors, including raising money from the more wealthy to help poor passengers. Her acts of heroism, which made news, earned her the nickname "the Unsinkable Mrs. Brown." (Both a fictionalized Broadway musical and movie adaptation inspired by Brown's life were released in the 1960s, with the latter starring Debbie Reynolds in an Oscar-nominated role.)

With her newfound fame after the disaster, Brown spoke out for many causes. She served as a mediator of sorts between striking Ludlow miners, who had been working under brutal conditions, and the interests of John D. Rockefeller Sr. and Jr. She also aligned herself with the women's suffrage movement, becoming allies with Alice Paul, and spoke about workers' rights at the 1914 Conference of Great Women.

Brown once again campaigned for a political seat, this time as a U.S. senator for Colorado, though she didn't win election. Upon the outbreak of World War I, she worked with the Red Cross, setting up facilities in Newport, Rhode Island seasonal home, and later traveled overseas to work with the American Committee for Devastated France.

More: http://www.biography.com/people/molly-brown-20638583#the-unsinkable-mrs-brown

Do we really need to tear down all women to build up one candidate?
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'The Unsinkable Molly Brown' is mocked here as a Hillary gotcha. Do you have a clue who she was? (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2016 OP
I know who Molly Brown was Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #1
Sending a PM sheshe2 May 2016 #5
Mahalo, she~ Cha May 2016 #2
Actually you could say they are mocking them both. sheshe2 May 2016 #7
Well, they're ignorant about a lot of things... TwilightZone May 2016 #3
snap! sheshe2 May 2016 #8
You just provided me with the best laugh of my day. NBachers May 2016 #21
+1000! DemonGoddess May 2016 #22
I don't have a clue. riversedge May 2016 #4
PMed sheshe2 May 2016 #6
I'm a Hillary supporter but I didn't find a post that mocked Molly Brown SharonClark May 2016 #9
Not for a hide . sheshe2 May 2016 #11
There's a Broadway musical about her caquillo May 2016 #10
I know. sheshe2 May 2016 #12
Oops! caquillo May 2016 #15
No problem. sheshe2 May 2016 #16
Assuming I found the right post, the Titanic was also called "unsinkable" by its builder, so... TwilightZone May 2016 #13
She was in fact dubbed 'The Unsinkable Molly Brown" sheshe2 May 2016 #17
Right, but she was given that nickname after the Titanic sank in reference to it being "unsinkable". TwilightZone May 2016 #18
She was one of a few survivors from the titanic FloridaBlues May 2016 #14
Having been born and raised in Colorado madamesilverspurs May 2016 #19
Thank you, madamesilverspurs. sheshe2 May 2016 #20
Yup...I had that same childhood! nt eastwestdem May 2016 #23
Thanks for the great post! SunSeeker May 2016 #24
My Gramfeathers knew her JustAnotherGen May 2016 #25
Wow, JAG. sheshe2 May 2016 #29
I believe she was played by Kathy Bates... Blanks May 2016 #26
... and Thelma Ritter in "Titanic" starring Barbara Stanwyck & Clifton Webb... caquillo May 2016 #27
I remember seeing 'The Unsinkable Molly Brown' as a kid... Blanks May 2016 #28
I can't wait for Hillary to lock the nomination .... ronnykmarshall May 2016 #30
Molly Brown lived here in Denver for many years. kstewart33 May 2016 #31

Cha

(297,323 posts)
2. Mahalo, she~
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

If they're mocking her they don't.. but, when have they had a clue about anything?

Thank you for all the in depth detail about Molly.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
3. Well, they're ignorant about a lot of things...
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

so it wouldn't surprise me. Molly Brown is a pretty silly way to mock someone, however, considering all that she accomplished.

I guess you could turn it around on them - if Hillary is Molly Brown, I guess that makes the Sanders camp...the Titanic?

Edit: or the iceberg.

caquillo

(521 posts)
10. There's a Broadway musical about her
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

that was turned into a movie, starring Debbie Reynolds, which earned her an Oscar nomination (she lost to Julie Andrews in Mary Poppins).



caquillo

(521 posts)
15. Oops!
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:57 PM
May 2016

I'd skimmed what you wrote (I already know a lot about her) and neglected to see that you already included the info in the third to last paragraph. My bad.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
13. Assuming I found the right post, the Titanic was also called "unsinkable" by its builder, so...
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

the intended reference is probably to that and not Molly Brown. The SS (which was RMS where Titanic was concerned) refers to a ship.

That doesn't make it any less ridiculous. Well, slightly so. More ridiculous is that a throwaway post got nearly 40 recs.

Bring on June 8th. Or 15th. Or whatever.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
17. She was in fact dubbed 'The Unsinkable Molly Brown"
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

Posts shows references.

Even that aside. To make fun of those that died on that ship to make a political point is just sad.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
18. Right, but she was given that nickname after the Titanic sank in reference to it being "unsinkable".
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

That's where the nickname came from.

"Brown was later called "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" by authors because she helped in the ship's evacuation, taking an oar herself in her lifeboat and urging that the lifeboat go back and save more people. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Brown#Passenger_on_the_Titanic

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
19. Having been born and raised in Colorado
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

Molly Brown was one of the first historical figures we learned about in elementary school. We went on field trips to the history museum that housed many artifacts related to Molly Brown. Her house in Denver still attracts tourists, my cousins were raised just a couple of blocks away and still live in the neighborhood. She was tough and determined, and deservedly became an icon for those who struggle to overcome difficulty.

Being compared to Molly Brown is a compliment for anyone, especially for someone like Hillary Clinton whose own "icebergs" tend to be manufactured by those determined to sink her. Yet she sails on in spite of them. Lesson learned.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
25. My Gramfeathers knew her
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:40 AM
May 2016

They lived in her neighborhood when she was a little girl. She was 8 when she got back from the Titanic. My great great grandfather helped finance her two campaigns and my great great grandmother was hip deep in the suffragist movement with her in Colorado. Something missed by many voting rights activists - women had the right to vote in Colorado in the 1890s.

We couldn't do any worse than men.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
26. I believe she was played by Kathy Bates...
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016

In the movie 'Titanic'.

A small role, but a presence in the movie.

caquillo

(521 posts)
27. ... and Thelma Ritter in "Titanic" starring Barbara Stanwyck & Clifton Webb...
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:15 AM
May 2016

... and Debbie Reynolds in "The Unsinkable Molly Brown"... and Cloris Leachman in "S.O.S. Titanic"... and Marilu Henner in the TV miniseries "Titanic" starring Catherine Zeta-Jones and Peter Gallagher...

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
28. I remember seeing 'The Unsinkable Molly Brown' as a kid...
Mon May 30, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

And obviously the James Cameron movie 'Titanic' was a big deal, but I hadn't even heard of the other ones.

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