If you think some Hillary opponents seem to be going overboard just around here - think again.

[calimary]

Seems it's being noticed (and not very much appreciated) elsewhere than just on DU. Seems to have become a thing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/bernie-bullying-and-other_b_7908216.html

And it's a shame, too, because they risk turning a LOT of people off their candidate with their bullying. They're even getting aggressive on Jane Goodall forcryingoutloud! I mean, how dare Dr. Goodall fraternize with the dreaded Hillary?

[shenmue]

1. True

[lunamagica]

2. They are getting quite a reputation

[malokvale77]

3. When The Jane Goodall Foundation turns away my money...

I will take that criticism seriously.

[bravenak]

6. Lol!nt

[Cha]

4. Mahalo, calimary! the shite is real.. all over the internet. The Obama Diary.. that has over

30 million hits since Oct 2009 has been posting Tweets from African Americans.. revealing how less than impressed they are with Bernie supporters who attacked those who supported #BlackLivesMatter @ NRN.

It doesn't stop there, of course.. snip from your link//

"But lately I'm seeing too many threads on the topic turn into sadly-typical spitting contests, with those supporting Bernie flinging epithets at Hillary supporters, breathlessly listing all her purported transgressions and foibles, denigrating her accomplishments, insulting her personal decisions, and acting as though anyone who supports her is an idiot who doesn't grasp the folly of their ways. I've had Bernie supporters get snarly with me, bait me to answer questions about why I might support Hillary, push me to defend her record, explain her business decisions, even parse her choice to stay with her husband. As a woman I find it appalling, but frankly, many of those most zealous on this topic are women... Hillary has always had the capacity to trip the wire with some on that side of the gender aisle!"



snip//

"What followed, then, with no acknowledgement from almost anyone about the actual subject matter of the picture, was a long thread of snarky, hateful comments about Hillary, one more hysterical than the other, calling out the good doctor for her clearly misguided connection to Ms. Clinton. The very first, left by a woman who posted and reposted various iterations of her initial comment, said (and I'm leaving off the poster's name, despite the public status of Goodall's Facebook page):"

Yeah, we've seen it all. They are their own worst enemies.

Mahalo Mary~

[still_one]

5. What strikes me as very sad is they are essentially taking the talking points of Peter Schweizer as

facts, even though his assertions have shown to be inaccurate, and contain a long series of errors. In fact, when George Stephanopolos interviewed him, Schweizer admitted that he has no hard evidence to support his allegations.

[NBachers]

7. I like Bernie Sanders; his snide, gloating, slap-happy boosters, not so much

There's a significant portion of Democratic Underground I refuse to click on these days . . .

[Tommy2Tone]

15. So true and they seem to hate everyone

but Bernie as a candidate. The trash Hillary and President Obama with the same zeal. I have said in the past some are borderline delusional because they are convinced he is winning.

[4now]

8. I don't know why his supporters seem so angry

When he seems like a nice enough guy.

[lunamagica]

23. I think the anger comes because they know he can't win.

[redruddyred]

9. I don't see much nastiness

most of the threads which make it to the front page tend to be anti-republican, and wall street
and if they mention a candidate, they frame it in terms of "this is why I am suporting x", with no mention of option y.
I also see a lot of posts complaining abt "trolling" or "bullying"
this seems like a snide way to call names without finding solutions.
I wish threads like this one would link to the behavior which is bothering them, so that ignorant onlookers such as myself would not be fored to dismiss it as gossip.

[Cha]

13. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. this is Hillary's group and we know

what we're talking about.

We don't need links.. we've been experiencing it.

[redruddyred]

24. I need a link. nt

[Cha]

32. Doesn't matter. You don't come into a protected group to question the veracity of what we're

talking about

[freshwest]

36. Here's a link from a thread you Rec'd:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251487553#post7

George II ends the post with:

As they say, "google is your friend".

Did you read that far down?

You are the only Rec:

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this thread (displayed in chronological order):

redruddyred

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=313619?=recs

It's not at all hard to find these. I found an entire thread of what you are asking for today while doing a DU search.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. Zing!

[Walk away]

22. Get real! I wouldn't even bother to dredge up one of the hundreds of anti Hillary attacks...

they don't just start threads, they jump into any positive Hillary threads that aren't protected by this group and take over with Foxnews propaganda. You would have to have a reading disability to miss them.

[sheshe2]

35. You need links? Find them.

I don't remember reading any threads bashing Republicans, they are so far and few in between.

Democrats however, bashed daily.


This is the Hillary Group. You have all of DU to spread your concerns. I ask that you take it there.

Bye

[Alfalfa]

10. I could have sworn Jane Goodall was dead

[Cha]

14. Well, now you know she's not.

[onehandle]

11. And as we know, there is a troll army amongst them.

Looking not to support Bernie, but to derail Hillary, who will ultimately be our nominee and next President. It's sad that they embrace them even when they are clearly disrupters. Speaks poorly to their desperation.

FYI: Won't work, trolls. Hillary is #45.

[calimary]

19. Speaking of the "...but to derail Hillary" contingent:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/republicans-should-help-bernie-sanders-weaken-hillary-myra-adams

[Walk away]

12. It's becoming quite a scandal over at Reddit. Sander's supporters are attacking people....

who support Hillary Clinton viciously and constantly. Two different producers at two different cable news shows have mentioned it to me.

Imagine being a candidate that the news only pays attention to because your supporters act like assholes all over the internet.

Poor Berniebots! They are so proud about yelling everyone else down and smearing a candidate from their own party. It may come back to haunt them in ways they are incapable of imagining. Maybe they are becoming part of the story in a way they never intended

[Tommy2Tone]

16. Oh and don't dare support our president either...He is the enemy as well

[Walk away]

17. Naturally! Elizabeth Warren is God and Bernie Sanders is her only son! Everyone else....

are just corporate whores who should "Feel the Burn" in HELL! Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Bernie keeps making the same speech for every occasion.

[Tommy2Tone]

20. The believe and spread every rotten evil thing about Hillary

but Bernie to his bots walks on water.

[Walk away]

21. yeah, they sucked all of the fun out of this place that's for sure!

[Tommy2Tone]

28. Not just here..but every lefty site...

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. I agree wholeheartedly except for part about "their own party"

[ismnotwasm]

18. I wonder if Sanders expected anything like this?

He inspires a lot of people, a lot of low information voters who truly want to see a different direction in politics--although other than internet memes and buzzwords, they can't articulate precisely what that change would be, or how it will actually happen.

Then there are the better politically educated, but rabid ones, the ones with constant sour stomachs and anger issues, who seem to use Sanders as a shield for threatened privilege, more interested in tearing down Hillary than building up Sanders, because let's face it, the man is unaccomplished politically, and other than talking about what he will do, rather than what he's actually done (despite an excellent voting record on many issues) they got nothing.

Sanders just is who he is, but he's tapped in to the "Angry White Male" supporters--not that he doesn't have Angry White Women and people of color in his fan base--but the the largest portion of pure viterol seems to come from that contingent, the same ones, I suspect who tend to be gamergaters and the more obnoxious of redditers (outside of actual Right Wing nut cases) How else could he possibly have gotten support from Paulites? The apex of "Angry White Males"? Sanders is a Democatic Socialist--about as far from a Libertarian as you can get.

Sanders fan base is a puzzle, they don't seem to fit who Sanders says he is, which causes a kind of distrust in people who vote, but are politically naive. These are the ones who say "Who is Sanders?"--(I hear so much about him on DU, I'm a little surprised at this when I run into it)

So no, those types are not doing him any favors, I suspect Sanders's campaign must be aware, but sits back in a kind of helpless horror--that barn door is not only open, but ripped of the hinges.

[freshwest]

37. You win the thread. n/t

[yallerdawg]

25. Do any resemble these remarks?

From OP link:

But lately I'm seeing too many threads on the topic turn into sadly-typical spitting contests, with those supporting Bernie flinging epithets at Hillary supporters, breathlessly listing all her purported transgressions and foibles, denigrating her accomplishments, insulting her personal decisions, and acting as though anyone who supports her is an idiot who doesn't grasp the folly of their ways. I've had Bernie supporters get snarly with me, bait me to answer questions about why I might support Hillary, push me to defend her record, explain her business decisions, even parse her choice to stay with her husband. As a woman I find it appalling, but frankly, many of those most zealous on this topic are women... Hillary has always had the capacity to trip the wire with some on that side of the gender aisle!

[calimary]

29. Where have you been?

I got a post hidden for complaining about it, not all that vocally, either, and the snark and insults and personal attacks against me among the jurors just in that DU jury alone were so nasty and pointedly personal against me that I'm trying VERY HARD to forget so I can eventually find my way to forgiving. I have seen it ALL OVER THIS SITE. For MONTHS.

You haven't seen the attacks on sheshe2, on BainsBane, William769, DemocratSinceBirth, even on people like 1StrongBlackMan and bravenak? Holy cannoli, how they pile on bravenak, and she hasn't even declared for Hillary! But she too has pointed out that the Bernie people have jumped all over her so viciously that she's changed her mind about voting for him. Reading some of that shit she's had to deal with here, week after week, I'm not one bit surprised. I see the "get snarly with me, bait me to answer questions..." here ALL THE TIME.

But I realize something else, too - that I may not be clearly understanding your post. On first look, it sounds to me like baiting, but I could be misreading it. Sometimes that happens when all we're doing in discussion boards like this is reading flat two-dimensional words on a screen. No spoken words, and thus, no vocal inflection, no context, no nuance, no clearer meaning. So I may very well simply be misunderstanding your post, and for that I apologize.

But to answer the question you pose - YES. MANY of the virulent brickbat posts I see here from Bernie people are EXACTLY like what's described in that paragraph in your post. I ABSOLUTELY have seen it. Over and over and over and over and over again. I myself have the virtual scars to prove it. Sometimes I feel like this place is a "Jurassic Park" movie. You venture out - into the "jungle" and you can be repeatedly set upon by packs of hungry velociraptors. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that this observation is being made in other places on the internets than just here at DU. But that HuffPo piece really was illuminating: "Aha! You mean it's NOT just me? DU isn't the only place this is going on? Same complaints arising from elsewhere, too? Shit! I thought things were being exaggerated, or that it's just this little insular phenomenon here within the confines of our unique little DU hangout here." But this tells me it really is as bad as some of us here think it is.

[Turbineguy]

27. The uglier and crasser it gets

the better for the repubs and their trolls. Saves them work.

[Gothmog]

30. The over the top attacks are really sad

[AndreaCG]

31. I come to this site less often because of it.

Or at least stay out of the GD Primaries threads for the most part.

[Agschmid]

33. I'll rec this.

I'm sure someone will call me out on it eventually but that kind of makes the point...

Yup.

[freshwest]

38. You have been treated badly, I've seen it. And you are a BSer. But a good one.

What is hurtful to me is that I see a lot of good ideals from him that I do not want to see go down with him when or if he loses. Those are important to me. I was driven away from the BS folks the day the group was announced. I had been interested in him for a very long time.

Over time, for whatever reason, I no longer feel that I can handle my original plan, which was to vote for him in the primary. Then vote for HRC in the general, as BS was always a long shot. I was also telling my HRC friends IRL good things about Bernie.

Now I don't feel safe with them and will vote for HRC in the primary. And I no loner watch him anymore. I had posted a lot of videos of Bernie. I was the only one or else the first one to post video of his kickoff in VT. I was attacked for getting it the only place I could find it, the Hillary MOJO site which Skinner no longer updates; he is busy with real world political action.

So I am done with BS, even though I still like him personally.

[Agschmid]

44. Luckily I have thick skin.

Thanks for the reply!

[freshwest]

45. IDK about the thick skin thing. I don't think refusing to put up with abuse is thin skinned.

Being abusive does not encourage people to vote for someone unless they grew up listening to fire and brimstone preachers and feel at home. I don't go for that.

I also find in real life people consider such tactics a waste of their time and walk away from those who attempt to bully them. They don't have time to fight, they just forgetaboutit. That's what costs elections.

Well, that and a lotta dark money and lies, yeah.

Supporters get enthused about a positive thing, not a negative one. That is where the energy comes from, feeling good about the person one is supporting. I never buy the claims of 'I always vote for the Democrat' from those at DU that crap on the Democratic Party all day long and expect one to believe they just turn that attitude off when they leave here and talk others into voting for Democrats elsewhe. IDK people in real life that do that.

One of the big faults of DU is the policy that only during the days after Labor Day on POTUS election years matter as to content here. The GOP runs a year around campaign on the public awareness that goes on for years at a time. That causes people to look though that filter.

JMHO. Tjanks for the reply, I was about to delete it as I thought you didn't want to say anything.

.

[Starry Messenger]

34. It's not just on DU.

I know some Black Lives Matter people in CA. Lots of people are turned off.

It's a shame, I was hoping this election would be a great way to have a discussion about left-wing economics in the context of the US political system, and the need to fight the right-wing and racism on the road to a more fair system.

Instead I have my socialist bona fides attacked constantly by people who haven't lifted much of a finger before last month to support threads about unions, racism, sexism, the need to raise taxes and oppose the right-wing tax revolt. Not all Bernie supporters, not at all, but many.

I can't help but agree with other posters and journalists who have noticed the demographic that Bernie largely attracts, and call this the revolt of the middle-class white male, who's fortunes have been shaken by the last recession and finally noticed what the rest of us go through.

[freshwest]

39. Agreed. I too, was looking for some frank public talk about things that matter like that. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

41. I have noticed...lots of newbies

I have noticed that lots of the Hillary attack posts are made by people with low thread counts. Makes me wonder if they have joined to stir up trouble.

[Sheepshank]

42. I had not noticed this post when I posted similar on GDP

If I had I think I would have posted your link instead of the blog. I find it interesting that these similar issues Are coming to a head and being raised at the same time.

I am not surprised at all at the Sander supporters comebacks

I am shocked at some of the responses being made to some incredibly well though out posts regarding the history and honesty re: PoC and their experiences viewpoints. It breaks my heart and feel that several of those posts deserve to be OPs in their own right. In part so thT they don't get missed in that thread. They are important and gives this lily white person some well needed insight.

[calimary]

43. Nah, it's just fine that you posted in GDP.

But I've gotta admit, I'm still surprised, myself, at some of the responses from the Bernie camp. They truly have not seen the brickbats flying all over the place from their own compatriots? Seriously? I've become rather sensitized to this whole mess, and I find I am now LOOKING, deliberately, for evidence of that. Granted, I'm not on some round-the-clock patrol, sifting every post on every thread in every forum, so I'll concede that, certainly. But what I have seen is so doggone lopsided that it becomes another one of those moments to compare a brick to a grain of aquarium gravel and pronounce them both equal because they both happen to be hard.

I think we are fortunate to be able to learn from our sisters and brothers of a different skin color. As an Anglo, I don't share their experiences, so it helps me to hear about them and study and learn. I find their perspectives most illuminating. Every one of them is a teachable moment.

[George II]

46. Back in the spring I was hoping he'd enter the race, now I'm sorry he did.