Consider, if you will:

[Cary]

What has the radical left won? What have they ever won?

Are they not perpetual losers and whiners? Are they of any use whatsoever? As we know they are not Democrats. They don't vote Democratic, and we have won without them many, many times.

Why shouldn't we send them packing to the Republicans? Seriously, Trump is ramping up to use all of the Bernie schtick against Hillary. Let's send them to the Republicans, where they can spread their loser thought virus and mess them up "conservatives" even more than they're messed up now.

[bonemachine]

1. Unions?

Labor unions are a product of the radical left, no?

[SharonClark]

5. No

[bonemachine]

7. Are you sure about that?

There sure were an awful lot of socialists and anarchists involved in the labor movement, eh?


I mean, I suppose they could have been center-right socialists, and anarcho-capitalists...

[Cary]

8. No reason to be generous, is there?

[bonemachine]

9. Huh?

Not sure what you're trying to say here...

[Cary]

11. I'm kind of sick and tired of the radical left

I'm not alone, either. I'm kind of being facetious. I'm kind of serious at the same time.

[bonemachine]

13. I'm sure the radical left has no love lost for you either...

But to dismiss the sacrifices made by so many dedicated leftists in the pursuit of righteous causes that we hold dear because you're burnt out by this primary season is going to leave you with a gaping wound on your face where your nose used to be...

[Thinkingabout]

14. I have been a union member for many years, worked closely with negotiations, defended many

Union members. Proud union members who worked hard to provide for Their families. No, having known union members from different industries, they were not far left. In this campaign most of the union's endorsed Hillary, not Sanders. The union I am a member of endorsed Sanders but I will not be following their recommendation.

[bonemachine]

16. Perhaps I was a little too pithy

I'm not saying that all union members are now, or have ever been, radical leftists. I'm saying that the labor movement, as it exists today, owes a huge debt to the early victories won by radical leftists.

[Cary]

19. Whatever

This is the Hillary Clinton group. We dont talk to each other that way.

Go to GDP and find someone else to threaten.

[bonemachine]

20. Uh.. Threatening?

Are you unfamiliar with the idiom "cut off your nose to spite your face"?

[Cary]

22. What did I do to you?

[bonemachine]

23. Huh?

I'm not sure what you mean?

I feel like you might be upset because I answered a rhetorical question instead of going along with the premise, but I don't understand why you think I think you did something to me.

[Cary]

25. Perhaps we both misunderstood each other.

[bonemachine]

26. seems entirely possible...

Damnable internet.

[DLCWIdem]

15. labor unions have 2 types

There was a more anarcist type of union and a more business like type of union. Lots of good stuff from UW Madison. Recommend you read up before trying tobe a expert.

[bonemachine]

17. Absolutely true

Samuel Gompers, for example, tended to be informed more by economic concerns than socialist politics. Nevertheless, if you believe that the labor movement as we know it could have come about without the radical left, I've got some lovely oceanfront property in Colorado I'm looking to let go at a very reasonable price!

[bonemachine]

2. See Also:

Abolitionism, suffrage, the civil rights movement, and the gay rights movement, which all were extremely radical ideas in their time.

[johnp3907]

4. Good examples.

[SharonClark]

6. No, they weren't radical ideas in their time

They were radical ideas before their time.

[bonemachine]

10. Radical ideas

...embraced and championed by radical lefists.

[liberal N proud]

3. Several elections for the radical right

[nini]

12. Define what you think 'Radical Left' is

I'm not sure what you mean.

[bonemachine]

18. Well, the Overton Window has been shifting rightward steadily since Reagan...

So, with the exception of certain identity politics issues that we have made good progress on, the "radicals" on the left are now those whose ideas used to be considered "acceptable," "sensible" and even sometimes "popular".

[Cary]

21. Emoprogs

[nini]

24. Using that definition

I'd say not much to your original question.

The reason being they are impatient and not accepting of how to get things done in this government. IF we had a majority of both houses and the executive branch then not getting things done is one thing. Trying to get only what we want done in the current climate is near impossible.

Many of the things 'progressives' fought for and won were long fought out battles. None of our battles were easily won and it took hard work and patience. Fair? probably not but it is reality.

[bonemachine]

27. so, radical leftists alone rarely have won wars

But they have launched opening salvos in many important battles, and have definitely offered themselves as cannon fodder when more reasonable folks kept to the rear.

Radical ideas often win out by becoming commonly held ideas over time, but the initial impetus is just as important as the eventual sea change.

[nini]

29. You don't have to be 'Radical' to hold those beliefs

Nor do you have to be radical to fight for those things and accomplish them.

You seem to confuse leadership with being radical. Not the same thing.

[Cha]

28. You said you mean emoprogs and this is their definition..

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Emo%20Progressive

So no.. they get nothing.. because they don't appreciate what they have to make it even better.

Cary.