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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_scorched_earth_run_against_hillary_clinton_is_a_mistake.htmlBernie Sanders is still in it to win it. Which is a problem. Because he cant.
Hillary Clinton holds 1,768 pledged delegatesallocated through primaries and caucusesto Sanders 1,494. To overcome that deficit, Sanders would have to win 67 percent of all remaining delegates, including massive wins in Clinton-friendly states such as California and New Jersey. Barring an extraordinary shift, this wont happen. Its not a live possibility.
But the Sanders campaign doesnt seem to care. While Mr. Sanders says he does not want Mr. Trump to win in November, his advisers and allies say he is willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton in the shorter term if it means he can capture a majority of the 475 pledged delegates at stake in California and arrive at the Philadelphia convention with maximum political power, reports the New York Times on the campaigns newest strategya scorched-earth run to the finish.
The reaction from mainstream Democrats, and even from a few Sanders supporters, has been decidedly negative. On the other end, Sanders defenders say this is no different from what Clinton herself did in the 2008 primary, when she continued until the summer, as antiBarack Obama anger and vitriol simmered in her camp. Its true there are real parallels and similarities. But there are real distinctions, too, that make Sanders actions different in kind.
Lets compare Sanders actions with Clintons at this point in 2008. Like Clinton, Sanders has adopted an almost intransigent tone, even echoing elements of her old rhetoric. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on, said Clinton in early May of that year, citing an Associated Press story that found how Senator Obamas support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. A few days later, she would crush Obama in the West Virginia primary.
If it were just this rhetoric, Sanders staying in wouldnt be an issue. Things get heated at the end of a presidential primary, but theres no reason the losing candidate should bail before the end. That said, there are key differences between 2008 and now. Then, Clinton promised to run only to the last primary, to give every Democrat a chance to vote (and at that point, when it was clear Obama had the pledged delegates and superdelegates to win, she conceded). Now, Sanders vows to take this fight to the convention, even ifit seemshes still behind in pledged delegates.
There are a lot of people out there who say Bernie Sanders should drop out, the people of California should not have the right to determine who the next president will be, he said to supporters in California on Tuesday night, celebrating his win in the Oregon Democratic primary. He added: We are in this until the last ballot is counted and then were going to take that fight to Philadelphia.
Sanders isnt just planning a run to the conventionhes also hoping to flip enough superdelegates from the Clinton camp to erase the difference in pledged delegates, giving him the nomination. Its a fair strategy (given the rules), but a curious one, given the extent to which Team Sanders has blasted superdelegates as unfairanother way the Democratic National Committee has rigged the primary.
Democratic leaders say theyre worried, and its easy to see why. In the past month, Sanders has switched gears, from a policy critique of Clinton to a process argument against the Democratic Party. The argument? That any outcome short of full deference to his campaign is evidence of corruption and betrayal. The Democratic Party has a choice, he said in a statement, issued after a near riotous confrontation between Sanders and Clinton supporters in Nevada, where the former accused the latter of rigging the process for their candidate. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.
Clinton took a terrible turn in the last weeks of the 2008 campaign, where she cited the possibility of Obama being assassinated as one reason to stay in the race. But this is different. Less crass and more destructive. Even at her worse, Clinton never wavered from Democratic unity. And after she conceded the race, she urged her supporters and delegates to back Obama. Sanders, on the other hand, has offered a stark analysis to his voters. If Clinton, the winner of the Democratic primary, bends the knee, Sanders says the party is salvageable. If she doesnt, its not.
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He is causing so much pain for us Dems.....knowing him he more likely he will go until the end....
his ego is problem....
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Then say that, stay and get on with unifying the DNC against Trump. Winning is not an option any more.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)He could drop out today and people would still have the opportunity to vote for him.
Short of dropping out, he could stop the negative attacks on Hill and start encouraging his followers to vote for her.
The "give the voters a chance to vote" meme is just cover to allow Sanders to continue his destructive-to-Dems behavior.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)his only plan to make anything he promised happen was this "political" revolution he kept bringing up....which he described as voters coming out in drove and making him the winner (which would have been swell if it would have happened). Well, that Revolution didn't happen, and I guess since it didn't pan out, he's now willing to settle for just a plain ol' revolution.....and he's so old, I guess he ain't got sh*t to lose...and evidently he'll take the Infamy he will long be known for once he's gone!
While he may have started by preaching Socialism, in actual practice, his campaign has devolved into practicing authoritarianism!
Authoritarianism
1. Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to (Sanders')authority, as against individual freedom: an authoritarian regime.
2. Tending to tell other people what to do in a peremptory or arrogant manner. See Synonyms at dictatorial.
3. a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)
favoring complete obedience or subjection to (Sanders') authority as opposed to individual freedom:
authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
4. of or relating to a (Sanders') governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom (of those who don't agree) is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the (Sanders')state, centered either in one person (Bernie Sanders) or a small group (Bernie Sanders most extreme supporters) that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.
5. Exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others