CBS/NYT Poll: Clinton 47 Trump 41. Let's see if O'Donnell mentions this tonight

[lunamagica]

Or if he keeps on maintaining his idiotic claim that Hillary has never bounced back in a poll, or some such nonsense.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-national-poll-hillary-clintons-lead-over-donald-trump-narrows/

[polio2]

1. O'Donnell is right.

O'Donnell is right. Look at Mccain v. Obama and Mccain v. Clinton in the rcp averages, Clinton never went up in 2008, Obama did.

That poll still shows the gap is closing.

[lunamagica]

3. Well, he is wrong this time. And I'm sure many other times, too

[polio2]

4. You mean that's your hope

The reality is that Hillary has never improved her favorables or her polling numbers any time before. That's why when Hillary's poll numbers collapsed vs. Rubio/Kasich since last summer, they've stayed down and never recovered. W.R.T Trump and Cruz those numbers are entirely dependent on Trump and Cruz's favorables. Trump's favorables collapsed after his muslim ban comments starting in december and continuing into march, and they've since recovered to his pre-muslim ban position. Trump hurt Cruz through his attacks so cruz's favorables and his polling collapsed towards the end. It had nothing to do with hillary improving hence how kasich continuously beat hillary in every single poll until the end.

[leftofcool]

6. No, our hope is that Hillary work hard to beat Trump in the GE

What is your hope? And by the way, this is the Hillary Group so you can support her or leave.

[Kingofalldems]

7. What did you mean by this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2009043

Looks like you took a wrong turn.

[polio2]

13. It's not a done deal

Hillary supporters have been calling both the nomination and the general election a done deal since the beginning. That's not how it works. Obama won a ton of left-leaning independents, many of whom voted for him in the open primaries back in 2008, those independents have always hated Hillary.

[TwilightZone]

15. Hillary is up 51/33 with independents, according to CBS

Sanders is barely higher, within the MOE.

Sorry, but the "independents hate Hillary" meme is demonstrably false.

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. FALSE!!!!

Oh, and welcome back!

[lunamagica]

27. See reply 17

[Walk away]

46. We certainly can't afford to run a Socialist on the record as favoring Iran....

while they were holding Americans hostage! Just because Hillary has been treating Bernie like Dresden China doesn't mean the republicans will. Donald Trump will destroy that poor old man in a day!

Despite having no chance of winning the nomination, Bernie Sanders is now openly intent upon doing damage to Hillary Clinton. While Clinton rightfully asserts that she will be the Democratic nominee for president, Sanders still somehow and some way believes that he still has a chance. Should he lose New Jersey and California on June 7th (which appears more than likely) Sanders will have not only lost the popular vote by over 3 million, the delegate count by over 300, and more states than Clinton but he will also have lost any claim about having momentum leading up to the convention. Were that to happen then the only case Sanders would be left with would be the fact that certain polls show he would do better in a head-to-head matchup against Donald Trump. However, this very argument is flawed for a very obvious reason: an unvetted Bernie Sanders would get absolutely torn apart by Republicans in a general election campaign.

lots more...

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/5/19/this-ends-now-the-bernie-sanders-opposition-research-the-media-refuses-to-release

[DLCWIdem]

17. She improved her polling numbers from her first to her second senate term.

That's the trouble with presidential numbers. You only run for president once or twice in a lifetime so how can you get a real baseline from that. If she had been the nominee in 2008 we might have something to compare it too. In other winning the primary gives you the bump in polls. But I know she improved when she was in senate and she also improved after the Benghazi hearings.

[lunamagica]

18. Thank you for clearing that up. O' Donell's claim sounds wrong, but it's hard to look at

every poll (he claims that "Never has she improved her numbers once they go down). That's a big claim, very hard to prove/disprove.

[DLCWIdem]

20. yeah I remember them saying she had a hell of a november

I remember that the republicans were just dying and tweeting with disgust. It wa soooo funny.

[polio2]

21. look at the numbers for kasich/rubio

vs. clinton, her numbers didn't improve, what happened was that trump's numbers collapsed after the muslim ban comments, and he has since recovered from that.

[DLCWIdem]

25. head to head polls?

Your looking at head to head polls which don't mean a thing. Your talking apples and oranges. O'Donnel was talking about 1. National polls and 2. Unfavorables. And I know that she did get a bump right out of that hearing. You obviously came here to bolster the talking points with selective polls when O'Donnel never compared head to head because they mean absolutely nothing. Now like someone else here I will say the b.s. group is that ---way

[DLCWIdem]

41. Real clear politics poll tracker poll shows trends. bounces up and down.

[polio2]

19. in 08?

what bump up did obama get vs. mccain in 08? He was consistently beating mccain even after hillary dropped out.

[DLCWIdem]

22. 2008

First of all, they were trying to use the same arguements sanders is using about electability and they were using all sorts of polls. Second of all, logically we know he got a bump because most of the PUMA's did vote for him. His bump was at least getting her supporters.

[polio2]

23. obama was consistent in polling

which means that pumas really were willing to vote for obama, there was no bump up, it was just bluster. With hillary, it means it is and was serious and hillary always polled worse.

[Iliyah]

30. You are posting in the HRC safe haven group

please leave and delete all your posts. Thank you.

[savalez]

12. The BS group is that-a-way --->

[NurseJackie]

47. Thank you! It's not that hard to find.

But I wonder why it is that they keep getting lost and ending up in here.

[upaloopa]

31. What does 2008 have to do with Hillary vs Trump?

[polio2]

43. it has to do with Hillary vs Mccain

[SharonClark]

45. What nonsense - you'll be more comfortable in the Sanders group

[wisteria]

34. Different times, different campaign.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. I believe Lawrence O'Donnell might look for that one poll that has her behind Trump and use

that, instead of facing reality that his chosen one isn't as loved by Democrats as he had hoped. I guess he's forgotten that his chosen one dissed President Obama since he was inaugurated.

[LenaBaby61]

28. Lawrence...

Didn't mention that in the same MAY Fox Poll he was trumpeting that Bernie's 14 point lead vs Trump was down to just 4% points?

Where'd that 10 points go?

Of course he won't mention that--Doesn't fit with his meme

[BlueCaliDem]

44. I guess Lawrence has forgotton how our gov't actually works OR he was angling for BS followers as

new viewers, the country be damned in that self-enriching quest.

L O'D damn well knows that Sanders is a know-nothing, do-nothing opportunist who loathes the Democratic Party and has done so all his political career - a career that's pretty lackluster and what exposes his laziness - and who would destroy the Democratic Party from the inside-out and everything President Obama has worked so hard to accomplish for us. Becasuse L O'D knows that Sanders couldn't get a single thing accomplished should we had been stupid enough to choose him as our Party nominee. And at Sanders' high age, he wouldn't run for a second term, either (nor would he win one because, despite all his rah-rah words, American by and large do want our presidents to do things for us) and thus leave us shattered.

[Frenchye]

5. Bernie Supporters will say meh, since it's not Fox or Rasmussen

they love right-wing outlier polls.

[UMTerp01]

8. I'd think Lawrence would know better than to pay attention to national polls

Once again, the Presidency is won by the Electoral College and the same mistake Republicans made in 2012 in terms of Black turnout is gonna bite them in the ass again. Blacks and Latinos will be out in force to vote for Hillary Clinton but also against Donald Trump. It will be crucial in key swing states like PA and Florida. Latinos haven't been this motivated to vote EVER!!!! Even some people who have issues with Clinton are motivated to vote against Donald Trump. So y'all keep paying attention to these national polls. They are seriously underestimating the Obama campaign people who are on Hillary's team and who have the skills with the ground game to get out the vote when it matters. Once again, the Electoral College is what matters and while I do admit that Hillary has weaknesses, Dems have a built in advantage in the Electoral College that she will be able to overcome it.

[savalez]

9. That'll go up too when sanders inevitably drops out.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

11. Exactly. Sadly it seems he's staying in and creating disruption to purposefully destroy the party.

[TwilightZone]

16. Well, he'll fail at that, too.

After June 7th, he can either get with the program or become an even bigger political pariah than he already was.

I'm betting on the former, though at this point, who knows. He can't continue bashing Clinton after the primaries are over without looking like a huge hypocrite, but that may not stop him.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. It shouldn't be that lose. On the other hand, polls don't mean shit right now. Good or bad.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. I hardly ever see the guy, but this might be worth it after all the

hogwash he has apparently been flinging.

[Light63]

24. The HELL with MSNBC

I'm watching All In With Chris Hayes, and the running bar at the bottom showed the Fox News poll where Trump led Hillary by 2 points! That Fox News is old compared to the Quinniac and CBS polls where Hillary beating Trump in both.

[riversedge]

26. O'D was sure on a rile last night.

[Frenchye]

32. New Puerto Rico poll: Hillary ahead by humongous margin

https://pasquines.us/2016/05/18/clinton-poised-for-big-win-in-puerto-rico-primary/

[BlueNoMatterWho]

33. Interesting

Interesting that CBS polled "all adults", Fox polled registered voters and Rasmussen polled likely voters.

[Lord Magus]

37. Rasmussen's "likely voter" model has always been a sham.

They use it as an excuse to skew their sample toward Republicans (even compared to other polls' likely voter models), and they hide their crosstabs behind a paywall.

[Rybak187]

35. I would not say that she bounced back in this poll.

Her lead dropped from 10% to 6%

[DURHAM D]

38. Do you know where you are? nt

[BlueNoMatterWho]

39. Jungle

You're in the jungle baby.

[Cha]

42. He's outta here..

[Lord Magus]

36. Looks like he's going to spin it as "Trump getting closer".

[Lord Magus]

40. Yep, he's even going so far as to say "a 6 point lead might actually be a tie".

Pathetic, MSNBS should give LOD his walking papers.

[trueblue2007]

48. O'Donnell was HORRIBLE to Hillary 2 days ago. he had a bunch of JERK Repukes on

and just let them spout LIE after LIE.

I TOLD HIM OFF ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER and will stop watching him if he turns into a Trump lover

[Her Sister]

49. KnR