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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:05 AM May 2016

The NV Democratic Party has lodged a formal complaint to the DNC about the Sanders camp.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention



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We believe, unfortunately, that the tactics and behavior on display here in Nevada are
harbingers of things to come as Democrats gather in Philadelphia in July for our National
Convention. We write to alert you to what we perceive as the Sander Campaign’s
penchant for extra-parliamentary behavior—indeed, actual violence—in place of
democratic conduct in a convention setting, and furthermore what we can only describe
as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in
chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats. Indeed, the threats to the Chair of the
Nevada State Democratic Party are ongoing at time of this writing, as Sanders activists
have posted her cell phone and home address online, and have bombarded her with
threats to her life and the safety of her family. We have attached some examples of this
conduct, which is not merely offensive but obviously criminal in nature. We can provide
audio of threatening phone calls made directly to the Chair, which now number in the
hundreds.

The explosive situation arose in large part because a portion of the community of Sanders
delegates arrived at the Nevada Democratic State Convention believing itself to be a
vanguard intent upon sparking a street-fight rather than attending an orderly political
party process. Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus
outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders
delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the
progress of any convention business for much of the day. Indeed, every point during
which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press
up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and
any other speaker. In fact, event security provided by the Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino
took it upon themselves to increase the security perimeter around the dais so the
convention could simply move forward with its routine business in relative safety. In
other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted
in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more
than 12 hours.
Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the
entirety of the event. Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against
the dais had to be attended to throughout the day.

To the great embarrassment and revulsion of the vast majority of attendees, Sanders
delegates crowded the dais and shouted down universally-respected U.S. Senator Barbara
Boxer of California, who had arrived as a guest of the party to deliver a keynote address
in support of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.


The Sanders Campaign spent its time either ignoring or profiting from the chaos it did
much to create and nothing to diminish or mitigate. It was clear to the NSDP that part of
the approach by the Sanders Campaign was to employ these easily-incensed delegates as
shock troops to sway the convention proceedings. At the very least, these delegates
became a way for the Sanders Campaign to seek the advantage of disruption at any
particular moment while trying to disavow any responsibility for their actions even as it was ongoing. At no time did any Sanders representative make anything more than token
gestures towards peace in the hall, and at the times of most intense crisis offered little
more than shrugs and smirks.

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The NV Democratic Party has lodged a formal complaint to the DNC about the Sanders camp. (Original Post) Starry Messenger May 2016 OP
Excellent! Time to call out Sanders and his thugs for what they are. stopbush May 2016 #1
That kind of behavior is the very definition of undemocratic. Starry Messenger May 2016 #3
3am would be YUGE! stopbush May 2016 #14
Hopefully with just a flashlight at the podium! Starry Messenger May 2016 #22
He can hold it under his chin..... MADem May 2016 #30
He can tell a story using shadow pockets obamanut2012 May 2016 #41
Yes shenmue May 2016 #23
So, their version of events was complete nonsense. TwilightZone May 2016 #2
I'm even more pissed now. Starry Messenger May 2016 #6
Boxer has always been a target around here. TwilightZone May 2016 #7
It baffles me. Starry Messenger May 2016 #12
Oh, it's not that she's too conservative. It's all about Hillary. TwilightZone May 2016 #15
I am sure you might have seen some of the riversedge May 2016 #26
I did. It shows how little attention they were paying to the proceedings. TwilightZone May 2016 #44
Indeed shenmue May 2016 #24
Good! LuvLoogie May 2016 #4
Good! That's the way to do it!.. Mahalo, Starry! Cha May 2016 #5
I was glad to see such a strong statement. Starry Messenger May 2016 #9
I hadn't read about this yet.. so Thank YOU! Cha May 2016 #17
I posted about this in GD-P. madamesilverspurs May 2016 #8
The howling mobs are only from one side. Starry Messenger May 2016 #10
The first one who does that loses and they Lose Big Time. Cha May 2016 #19
whow. You riversedge May 2016 #37
Holy crap. He's got to either step aside or get serious about calling an end to Maru Kitteh May 2016 #11
The Sanders camp doubled down and blamed the Democratic Party. Starry Messenger May 2016 #16
Sickening. I hope Reid gives him a PERSONAL call. Maru Kitteh May 2016 #21
Wonder if the Sanders camp read those vile text messages sent by Sanders fans?-they are riversedge May 2016 #38
"Harness the energy" SharonClark May 2016 #43
Did you see the examples of the vile text messages that Sanders fans sent?? riversedge May 2016 #32
Here is another account that ismnotwasm provided a link. LiberalFighter May 2016 #13
Thank you and ism! Starry Messenger May 2016 #20
Wow. Great read. This whole mess was caused by misinformed (purposely?) Sanders supporters. SunSeeker May 2016 #33
What still floors me is that they were booing adding an item about overturning Citizens United TwilightZone May 2016 #45
Yes they do. LiberalFighter May 2016 #46
Thank goodness they are taking this seriously Rose Siding May 2016 #18
I hope they find out which Sanders supporter(s) made the death threats and they are arrested. SunSeeker May 2016 #25
REC riversedge May 2016 #27
Sanders is complacent. grossproffit May 2016 #28
Good ismnotwasm May 2016 #29
But not BS himself! Not appalled! Her Sister May 2016 #47
Examples of some of the thousands of crude, threatening text messages --attached to letter..... riversedge May 2016 #31
The people who sent those texts need to be arrested. SunSeeker May 2016 #34
You know this isn't going to end well. ismnotwasm May 2016 #35
Totally unhinged. X( Starry Messenger May 2016 #39
Great news! lunamagica May 2016 #36
Yaaaas! Finally obamanut2012 May 2016 #40
Here is the ugly face of the Bernie revolution workinclasszero May 2016 #42
Yes and also what happened at HRC's rally in California! Her Sister May 2016 #48
Right workinclasszero May 2016 #49

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
1. Excellent! Time to call out Sanders and his thugs for what they are.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

Good to see a formal complaint being lodged.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
3. That kind of behavior is the very definition of undemocratic.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

I hope he has to speak at 3 am at the National convention.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. He can hold it under his chin.....
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:14 AM
May 2016

Pretend he's telling ghost stories around the campfire in the woods...!!


TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
2. So, their version of events was complete nonsense.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

Not that we didn't know that already.

" In other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted
in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more
than 12 hours. "

Nothing like wasting everyone's entire day. All they accomplished was alienating more people who might have looked at them favorably before now.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. I'm even more pissed now.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:14 AM
May 2016

I can't believe this went on for 12 fucking hours. And the threats against Roberta Lange need to be prosecuted. I am so sick of this bullshit. Reading horse manure about Barbara Boxer all day has done nothing to improve my mood.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
7. Boxer has always been a target around here.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:15 AM
May 2016

To be honest, that doesn't surprise me in the least. The threats against Lange definitely need to be investigated. I can't believe that some of those people were dumb enough to leave their names and phone numbers.

Well...maybe I am. lol

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. It baffles me.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:23 AM
May 2016

If CA Dems are too conservative for this lot, they are too godly to shit. We have one of the lowest rates of GOP voting in the country.

I hope legal action is pursued against everyone foolish enough to use their real name and number. Enough already!

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
15. Oh, it's not that she's too conservative. It's all about Hillary.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:25 AM
May 2016

Everything is anti-Hillary. They're like Pavlov's dogs when her name is even mentioned.

When people suddenly decide that the Blaze and Fox News are legitimate sources, Planned Parenthood is the "establishment", and John Conyers is a sellout, it couldn't be much clearer.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
26. I am sure you might have seen some of the
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:05 AM
May 2016

comments on Saturday on DU related to Boxer speaking. They were angry--to say the least-asking why a Senator from CA was speaking at a Dem convention in NV. Many had no idea that Boxer was representing Hillary at the convention and Nina Turner was representing Sanders. Many were just upset that Boxer was at the convention to start with--because she was for Hillary. Bizarre.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
44. I did. It shows how little attention they were paying to the proceedings.
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

And how little interest they had in anything other than drawing attention to themselves. I'm mad, dammit! I'm not really sure why....but I'm mad!!

For a group of supposedly politically-involved fanatics, they sure don't know much about politics and they revel in that ignorance.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
5. Good! That's the way to do it!.. Mahalo, Starry!
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016
Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus
outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders
delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the
progress of any convention business for much of the day. Indeed, every point during
which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press
up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and
any other speaker.
In fact, event security provided by the Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino
took it upon themselves to increase the security perimeter around the dais so the
convention could simply move forward with its routine business in relative safety. In
other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted
in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more
than 12 hours. Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the
entirety of the event. Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against
the dais had to be attended to throughout the day.


They got some of that damn Instant Karma we hear about from the way they tried to manipulate the county Convention.


Mahalo, Starry~ This is Good News!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. I was glad to see such a strong statement.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:16 AM
May 2016

If they want to win, they have to learn how to organize, not intimidate with thuggery.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
17. I hadn't read about this yet.. so Thank YOU!
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016
Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus
outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders
delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the
progress of any convention business for much of the day. Indeed, every point during
which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press
up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and
any other speaker.

It's too late for that.. they'd never stop anyway.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
10. The howling mobs are only from one side.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

Their side is the one trying to overturn democracy, not ours. This will bite them on the ass, and no one will trust them.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
11. Holy crap. He's got to either step aside or get serious about calling an end to
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

this kind of activity from the extra-stupid, knuckle-dragging element of his supporters. Entitled little shits.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
16. The Sanders camp doubled down and blamed the Democratic Party.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:26 AM
May 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/nevada-convention-chaos-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/index.html


Washington (CNN)Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid sharply criticized Bernie Sanders' supporters for turning the Nevada Democratic Convention into chaos over the weekend, saying the Vermont senator should not "accept" how his backers behaved.

"I've been dealing with Nevada state conventions for 50 years: To say I was disappointed was an understatement," Reid told CNN in the Capitol on Monday.

"I hold his people accountable, and I'm sure if Bernie found out about it, he would not accept what happened there," Reid said.

Sanders' spokesman Michael Briggs pushed back at Reid's comments, calling on Democrats to harness the energy of his boss' backers.

"The Democratic Party would be doing itself a favor if it could find a way to embrace the millions of people who have been energized by Bernie's campaign and want to participate in the democratic process," Briggs said.



Argh!!

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
38. Wonder if the Sanders camp read those vile text messages sent by Sanders fans?-they are
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:46 AM
May 2016

attached to the NV Dem letter.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
43. "Harness the energy"
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016

Sanders should harness that negative and destructive energy, not the DNC. The DNC can just shut them down which I suspect is what they want so they can continue to bitch and moan about the Democratic Party.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
32. Did you see the examples of the vile text messages that Sanders fans sent??
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:18 AM
May 2016

Ugly. just ugly. The horrible things they said. --and the intimidating threats!

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
33. Wow. Great read. This whole mess was caused by misinformed (purposely?) Sanders supporters.
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:18 AM
May 2016

Ridiculous, shameful conduct on the part of the Sanders campaign/supporters.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
45. What still floors me is that they were booing adding an item about overturning Citizens United
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:37 AM
May 2016

If you're so consumed by hate that you want to allow one of the worst decisions in SC history to stand simply because it was about Hillary, you need to step back and reevaluate your priorities.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
25. I hope they find out which Sanders supporter(s) made the death threats and they are arrested.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:52 AM
May 2016

What the Sanders supporters at that convention did was a criminal act.

Aside from the blatant criminality of their actions, they tried to bully their way into stealing delegates they did not deserve, a brazen attempt to subvert the will of Nevada voters, who chose Hillary over Sanders by 5 percentage points.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
31. Examples of some of the thousands of crude, threatening text messages --attached to letter.....
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:15 AM
May 2016





Attachments
Examples of some of the thousands of crude, threatening text messages and voicemails from Sanders Campaign supporters against the Nevada State Democratic Party Chair can be found here: https://goo.gl/QpHNc5

Example text messages

ismnotwasm

(41,986 posts)
35. You know this isn't going to end well.
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:22 AM
May 2016

For Sanders--anything he sought to gain will be lost. I doubt Nevada will be the last we see of this behavior, and they will only look more and more like violent fools.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
42. Here is the ugly face of the Bernie revolution
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:48 AM
May 2016

The democratic party needs to excise this cancer 100% ASAP!

These people are nothing but political terrorists! Anti democratic to the bone! F them !

Does anyone doubt what these slimeballs will try to do at the democratic convention in Philly?

And Sanders remains silent.......

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