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Related: About this forumNew Poll Out of Oregon; Hillary up 15, 48-33 ..Hoping both dreams comes true for us..yikes
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A bombshell to close out your weekend in style: Hillary up fifteen in Oregon.
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http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/15/1526708/-New-Poll-Out-of-Oregon-Hillary-up-15-48-33
The Oregon primary is on Tuesday, May 17th.
If the numbers from a newly released poll of the OR Democratic primary are accurate and hold steady for a week, its over. Team Sanders is banking on a twenty-plus percent win in Oregon (which wouldnt narrow her lead, but would have value for the sake of appearances) a defeat of this magnitude on friendly ground could sound his bells last tolling.
The poll (by Portlands DHM Research) calculates the outcomes of two scenarios, one based on higher Democratic turnout, the other on average turnout. n=304, MoE 5.6%.
Both scenarios show a statistically significant lead for Hillary Clinton outside the polls MoE.
In the high turnout model [.pdf], she leads by 7%, 45% to 38%, in the average turnout model [.pdf] by 15%, 48% to 33%.
After Oregon, 930 pledged delegates remain on the table.
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Hillary Clinton may have a big surprise coming up this week with polls from Oregon showing her ahead in a state many thought would be a cake walk for Bernie Sanders.
Desperately needing momentum in his bid to pull off an upset in the Democratic primary, Sanders has been looking to Oregon as a chance to take a big chunk out of Clintons delegate lead. It is a progressive state with demographics favorable to Sanders, and he has drawn some huge crowds during his campaigning there. [...]
Supporters of Bernie Sanders believed the same way with many rallying to reach voters through phone banking in an effort to give Sanders a big win, hoping to be by 20 points or more.
But, the polls dont reflect that. [Portland-based pollster] Horvicks firm, DHM Research, showed that Hillary Clinton is actually leading Bernie Sanders and by a margin of 15 points. The poll had Clinton ahead 48 percent to 33 percent.
The Los Angeles Times has more:
Like everyone else in Oregon, pollster John Horvick has watched as Bernie Sanders draws massive crowds by capitalizing on liberal dissatisfaction in this left-leaning state.
It felt like this is Bernie Sanders country, he said.
Thats why the latest poll results from his firm, DHM Research, were something of a surprise. Hillary Clinton led 48% to 33% , a gap much larger than the margin of error of 5.6 percentage points. [...]
Now, some reasons to believe Clinton could pull off a victory here.
Oregon has a closed primary, meaning only registered Democrats can vote, and Sanders hasn't won a closed primary yet in this campaign. Older voters are much more likely than their younger counterparts to be registered with a party, and theyre more likely to favor Clinton, giving her an edge.
In addition, Horvicks team calculated a second set of numbers based on a potential turnout where young voters and new voters cast ballots in higher numbers than normal .
Even then, Clinton had a lead that exceeded the margin of error, 45% to 38%.
I was unable to find any polling whatsoever of Oregons primary, and assumed (along with everyone else) the demographics being favorable to Sanders that he would carry the state. Not by enough to gain a lead or even whittle away substantially at his delegate and vote deficit by all that much, but a win is a win.
If an expected win however becomes an unexpected double-digit loss, it becomes difficult to imagine what believable rationale the Sanders campaign might concoct to keep its donor spigots open and troops motivated.
With seventy four delegates, Oregon represents the third-largest electoral reservoir remaining, after California (546) and New Jersey (142).
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So what comes next? Assuming Sanders loses Oregon by these margins, he would have to win all remaining primaries by ~ 70% to 30%, a vote share he has not reached outside of his home state of Vermont and that is not evident in the polling we have of the contests to come. All things are possible under heaven, this precise eventuality however strikes me at least as somewhat unlikely to occur.
This is done yesterday ...I hope its a win for her...
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Keep Your Fingers Cross........
And Let It Be........Hillary
And dreams come true Paul is coming to our hometown after 52 yrs and we are going,we might have chance to present my art to him as we did Ringo yrs ago same arena the arena is working on it not sure yet but it would be our dream for me and hubby.... Just one day before our wedding anniversary.....he will be here . yikes for us Beatles fans its a dream come true as Hillary winning......
So hope for Hillary to win....dreams can come true.....
StayFrosty
(237 posts)They'll become even more unhinged.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hillary only needs 304 pledged delegates to get half of the PD, she only needs 148 delegates. There are 157 SD's who have not endorsed, I feel sure she will get 148 out of the SD's, all else is Lagniappe for Hillary, more votes, more delegates.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)But I am not afraid to hope that they are true.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Cha
(297,275 posts)I just hope for the best outcome for Hillary and glad we don't have to worry about her not getting the nom.
It would be Wonderful if Hillary won Oregon but as far as these polls are concerned.. ? We shall see real soon, won't we?
BlueMT~
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Cha!!
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)pandr32
(11,586 posts)Congratulations to you!
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Thank-you its not much some do alot of post in a day ,but I have art projects to work on,so I try to jump in and post as I can....
liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)Can't imagine what Bernieland would become at that point.
Actually, I think we can!
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)But i think if they know who the nominee is going to be by now,,,,,,they might just start thinking,to vote for her...I surely hope so we are sitting on
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)We have to be positive also....
book_worm
(15,951 posts)I reported on it last week, it is hopeful, of course, but as it says it really depends on turnout. A lot of people have registered to vote in the Democratic primary and many of them are younger voters.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Either way I have enough confidence she will be our nominee .....
George II
(67,782 posts)....undecided. That's a huge number considering that the primary was only a week or so away when the poll was taken. Are people being coy, wanting to seem uncommitted, or are they truly undecided?
But, the good thing about the numbers of those two scenarios is that even if most of the undecideds go to Sanders, the primary will be roughly 50/50, not the convincing win for him that they were hoping for.
We'll know by midnight tomorrow!
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Just think if he never came in ,she would have been the nominee by now...
George II
(67,782 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)but the number of new voters kind of worries me. If they're being significantly underpolled, the polls could be way off.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Sanders' climb gets steeper every day - money running out, hundreds attend rally in San Diego when thousands were expected, people want to vote for a winner. Marginal Sanders supporters know it's over for him and won't throw away their vote.
I have a good feeling about OR, but who knows what will happen?
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Fla Dem
(23,680 posts)I posted this article yesterday as well.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107133894
Poll was done over a week ago. Lots could change in a week. All those switched and new registrations. While some may be for Hillary, concerned a lot of switched are Rethugs who will vote for BS because they would rather go up against him in the General. Still it's good to see a positive poll for HRC.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)A lot of my post I post, some people post the same after me,its ok not everybody sees that post at the same time.......I could not find anything current a lot might be part of the Tea Party that switch over .or never been Dem to begin with......would be nice...for change...But with BS in the way don't know.with his die hard fans......
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)But, she'll win the nomination and the GE.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)nominee