Home from Nevada Democratic Convention...

[Stand and Fight]

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We arrived at 7:30am and left just about 10:00pm... Long story short, it was just as ugly as you thought it would be. In the end, Secretary Clinton maintained her lead in the state -- 20 to 15 delegates for her. The Bernie supporters were off the chain with their behavior. Most vexing was their booing of Senator Barbara Boxer. My wife and I were there as delegates for Hillary. Here's my video of the madness and Senator Boxer's refusal to back down to their bullying childish behavior.

https://twitter.com/joelbousley/status/731728039655051264

[BootinUp]

1. You have an appropriate user name. Good job. nt

[Stand and Fight]

2. It was a very tough exercise in patience.

The odd thing I observed was talking to them one-on-one they were rational, reasonable, sane. However, in a group... It's like they lose their minds!

[BlueMTexpat]

3. One of the more frightening things

about this primary season has been cult-like behavior on the part of some Sanders supporters. Mob mentality is always frightening.

Thanks so much for your report and for your staunch support of the best candidate!

[Stand and Fight]

16. Their passion is understandable. Totally understandable.

However, unfocused anger -- however righteous -- can be both dangerous and virus-like in large groups. I hope that Senator Sanders does something to start preparing them for the inevitable loss that is coming.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I suspect he is afraid they will turn on him too, the way they turned on Elizabeth Warren.

It is like a lab experiment that went terribly awry. This is how the Trumplicans would have reacted had he lost.

[Stand and Fight]

28. That or he's trying to milk them for just a few more $27 donations...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. It has went from humorous to frightening and I am being literal.

Reminds me of Eric Hoffer's True Believer.

I worry about people's safety.

[Stand and Fight]

32. I absolutely agree.

Just look at that nut up in Washington state who threatened to cut off Rep. Jim McDermott's tongue! You and any other person are perfectly reasonable in worrying about other people's safety with this stuff occurring.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I can't imagine what's it like to be in a room with them.

Were there people concerned about their safety?

[Stand and Fight]

43. I think people were more annoyed with them dragging out the process.

The constant booing, complaining about the process, saying that things were being rigged, insistence that the rules -- agreed upon by both campaigns months ago -- were unfair... That was likely more on their minds than anything. Many of us started in the EARLY morning hours (6am - 8am) and it was vexing seeing delays of several hours. Some people may have been concerned about their safety, but I would say that's unlikely since they were on one side of the hall and we were on the other. It made the stark contrast in behavior and observance of decorum abundantly clear.

[MADem]

60. He has a TEN MILLION DOLLAR 'bill' that is coming due in a hurry. The FEC has told him to

pay back those illegal donations NOW, and he's going to need cash to make good on that.

Now, if only TAD would stop robbing him blind....?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-is-biggest-spender-of-2016-so-far--generating-millions-for-consultants/2016/04/28/600170ce-0cf2-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html

Sanders is biggest spender of 2016 so far — generating millions for consultants

The small-dollar fundraising juggernaut that has kept Bernie Sanders’s insurgent White House bid afloat far longer than anticipated has generated another unexpected impact: a financial windfall for his team of Washington consultants.

By the end of March, the self-described democratic socialist senator from Vermont had spent nearly $166 million on his campaign — more than any other 2016 presidential contender, including rival Hillary Clinton. More than $91 million went to a small group of admakers and media buyers who produced a swarm of commercials and placed them on television, radio and online, according to a Washington Post analysis of Federal Election Commission reports.

While the vast majority of that money was passed along to television stations and websites to pay for the advertising, millions in fees were kept by the companies, The Post calculated. While it is impossible to determine precisely how much the top consultants have earned, FEC filings indicate the top three media firms have reaped payments of seven figures.....On top of Devine’s commission, which is paid out of funds sent to Old Towne Media, Devine Mulvey Longabaugh has received more than $4 million for media production from the Sanders campaign, FEC reports show. A share of that money was used to pay licensing fees for images and music.......

Another large share of the campaign’s spending — more than $23 million — has gone to Revolution Messaging, a 60-person digital firm founded by Scott Goodstein, who served as Obama’s external online director in 2008.

The company, whose work has helped raise more than $200 million for the campaign, provides an array of services, including digital consulting, online ads and website development. In return, Revolution gets a monthly $30,000 retainer, along with a 10 percent commission on digital media buys, according to a person close to the campaign who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe contractual details. That translates to at least $2 million in fees so far, according to an analysis of FEC filings. The firm declined to comment.

That is a SHITLOAD of money to shell out.... to lose! No wonder he's in a lousy mood!


PT Barnum said it best...!

[MADem]

59. Apparently some of the disallowed delegates did stupid things, like DUMPING their party

registration after the caucuses to make some sort of pointless point! This guy got his ass chewed so bad on reddit by his fellow Sanders supporters that he deleted his comments, but, as often happens, they were saved for posterity:





I just can't IMAGINE the mindset of a person who wants to participate in the process for selecting a DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE to represent the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, but who is so damned obtuse that they dump their party registration "in disgust." Is it stupidity? Entitlement? What?

Gee, I am not a member of your organization, I quit it because I hate you, but I want to be able to tell you how to run your show!


This is the original reddit thread--as you can see, his own people give him a good drubbing over his poor decision making: https://np.reddit.com/r/NevadaForSanders/comments/4jd7nq/where_is_everybody/d35vi8d

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

61. Wow

[MADem]

68. Apparently, too, the rules stated that you have to actually live in the county from whence you are

a delegate--why, the NERVE of those Nevada Dems, wanting the counties to be represented by people who are Democrats who LIVE there!

And that rule is on the TOP of the list--so anyone even glancing at the requirements would have to have seen that!

[LisaM]

69. I remember hearing that in Iowa

They were encouraging college students to go home and participate in their home towns rather than their college town because results were based on how many caucuses he won, not how many people voted in each one.

[Stand and Fight]

71. That's just laughably stupid. "Spur of disgust"? Well, boo-hoo for that idiot.

[MADem]

83. I guess there were others that moved between the time of the caucuses and the state convention,

and didn't think it mattered that they no longer lived in the county they were purporting to represent. This happened to a few HRC delegates too, but a much smaller number.

Apparently this guy wasn't the only one who joined the "impure" Dems just to vote for BS, and then dumped his registration as soon as the caucuses were over.

Playing by the party rules isn't an optional exercise~but some, apparently, thought so!

[Stand and Fight]

85. BINGO!

That's something the Berners aren't talking about. HRC people were ejected too. I was running for national delegate, but because of some mistake I wasn't on the ballot, but appeared on the state site. It was nefarious, it was simply human error. I ain't crying foul!

[Cha]

4. Mahalo Stand and Fight.. we heard they Booed nina turner, too.. is that correct?

Hey BS fans.. you don't mess with Senator Boxer.. she's tough.. like all Hillary women.. like Hillary herself, who is the nominee.

BS LOST.. that's tough.

"I was born in Brooklyn and I'm not afraid of bullies" Senator Barbara Boxer to BBBs

[Stand and Fight]

5. Mahalo, Cha!

Yes, they booed Nina Turner too. Apparently she wasn't on message enough when she did a quasi call for party unity.

[BootinUp]

6. LOL a quasi call. To be expected I guess. nt

[Stand and Fight]

8. YES! It was very tepid and they freaked the heck out about it!

It was like watching wild animals eat their own as they'd been shouting and booing before hand when they could get the rules for decorum overturned.

[Cha]

11. LOL@nina's quasi call for unity.. I hope she learned her BBB lesson!

Do you remember what her face looked like the second she knew she had over-stepped her boundaries?

Gracias so much for being there @the Nevada Convention and reporting back to us.. you and your wife.. we don't take it lightly!

[Stand and Fight]

15. I don't. I wouldn't boo her, but I did turn my back on her in silent protest part way through...

I was, quite frankly, surprised by the booing.

[Cha]

33. This is Danie06's take on nina turner getting booed..

I’m gonna say this here: a lot of Bernie supporters seriously think they can intimidate and insult their way into the White House. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

But they aren’t, because they have convinced themselves that when they steal delegates its all good, and when Hillary wins the election, she has committed fraud.

Update: Bernie suporters are now booing Nina Turner of all people, because she suggested we should work towards unity and respect and because she asked them to calm down.

From the link Iamaartist provided @kos..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/14/1526488/-Bernie-supporters-misbehaving-badly-at-Nevada-state-convention

That's much nicer to turn your back in silent protest.. and much more effective, imv.

[Stand and Fight]

37. That is the crux of the issue. The hypocrisy and the utter lack of decency.

It is her right to talk and be heard. Bernie people should be able to hear her without me or other HRC supporters booing -- which none of us did -- and it's acceptable to silently make it clear we don't like the message. Protest doesn't have to be loud and mocking to be an effective means of communicating disagreement.

[LisaM]

7. THANK YOU for sticking it out.

Hey hey!
Ho ho!
This caucus system has got to go!

[Stand and Fight]

9. That's the first thing our state chair, Roberta Lange, mentioned.

Everyone in the hall agreed with it for the most part. Even a fair amount of the Berners. Too bad it was all down hill after the initial preliminary delegates numbers were announced and not in Bernard's favor.

[LisaM]

10. Most of the Hillary supporters I know in WA state didn't go.

Phonebankers got the same story over and over: we don't want to be bullied. Turnout was a whopping 4%,

This is what democracy looks like?

[Stand and Fight]

14. I had some of the folks around me wanting to leave.

I started giving them pep talks to stay talking about the importance of it. We managed to hold together and stay strong. I don't blame people for not wanting to deal with it. Some of the BS supporters are as insufferable in person -- and especially in large groups -- as they are on this once august forum.

[LisaM]

22. You rock.

I wish I were as brave as you.

[Stand and Fight]

24. I'm sure you are brave in many ways, Lisa!

For example, you may have your ears pierced or have no fear of the dentist... Me on the other hand? A regular chicken little when it comes to those things. Needles? Pfft... Don't get me started. I freak out about needles.

[LisaM]

35. Odd you would say that.

I have absolutely no fear of needles to the extent that I just have never considered shooting up. Needles are a cinch for me.

[Stand and Fight]

38. Well, you'd think looking at me that a little old needle wouldn't scare me.

But I break out in a sweat and have to look away when I get shots. Even when I was in the Army, I couldn't stand to see the needle going in and I'd hum to focus on something else. I commend you for your fearlessness if you'll pardon my cowering like Scooby Doo!

[MADem]

62. Caucuses are disenfranchising--I can't imagine why ANYONE--even IOWA--does them anymore. nt

[Stand and Fight]

72. The first thing the state chair said in her opening comments was how bad they were.

She then said we need to get rid of the outdated method and find a better way -- even if it's a modified caucus process. Both sides of the hall clapped in support.

[MADem]

75. I think the best solution to bad caucuses is primaries!

And, a voting holiday and/or "vote by mail/early voting" to allow everyone an opportunity to participate.

[Iamaartist]

12. Here a link ....also to this .... Bernie supporters misbehaving badly at Nevada state convention.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/14/1526488/-Bernie-supporters-misbehaving-badly-at-Nevada-state-convention

[Stand and Fight]

17. Thanks, Iamaartist.

I read that earlier, but the delegates numbers were off. The Sanders people lost it at the start of the convention when the preliminary -- not provisional as stated in the diary -- delegate results were announced by the way.

[Iamaartist]

20. Ok happy they lost.. thank-you for being there.....

[Cha]

30. "For those that follow all this: today saw the utter unraveling of any decency or maturity Bernie

supporters have ever had."

Sad for the BS team.. that means they're losing badly and I blame BS for their behavior.. he's encouraged it on so many levels.

Clinton: 6316 votes= 52,6%

Sanders: 5678 votes= 47,3%.

Today is the second state-wide Nevada convention.

After an initial vote it turned out that of the total delegates showing up: 1,245 supported Clinton and 1100 Bernie.

For anyone that supports democracy, that thinks the votes of people should count: this is great news.

All in all this turn out may reset the delegate count to the original vote, and thus correct the disgusting situation that intimidation, theft and harassment actually enabled the Sanders’ campaign to steal delegates.

This is how BS would run his presidency.. and we can be so grateful... that's Not happening.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/14/1526488/-Bernie-supporters-misbehaving-badly-at-Nevada-state-convention

Thank you, Iaaa~

[Stand and Fight]

34. Best part of that diary! Thanks for the excerpt!

[Cha]

39. Yes!

And, you're Thank you!

[Iamaartist]

46. Thank-you Cha,I agree BS is the blame the way his supporters are...

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I think also he just wanted a name for himself,and do it on the Dem ticket,as well as money.......since he is unknown to most.....

[grossproffit]

13. Thank you to both you and your wife.

[Stand and Fight]

18. You're welcome. We're just doing our part. n/t

[ucrdem]

19. Holy cow off the chain is right.

Boxer under the bus

p.s. "boo yourselves out of this election"

and the GDP thread is called "Barbara Boxer TROLLS Bernie Sanders Supporters At Nevada Democratic Convention"

[Stand and Fight]

21. She called them on their childish bull shit.

I wish I had recorded the whole thing! She was impressive in her resolve to not be bullied.

[ucrdem]

23. You got the classic moment, no question

Who would have believed it? The Bernie maneuvers in NV really stink.

[Stand and Fight]

25. Well, that's the funny thing about it...

As I posted on Twitter a short time ago, they were fine when they managed to flip the two most populous counties by a few votes, but when the same thing happened to them in reverse, the poutrage ensued. Well, boo-frakkin-hoo!

[ucrdem]

27. You were there when history was being made I think

Thanks for posting it!

[Stand and Fight]

29. I think you're right!

Thanks for pointing that out!

[Cha]

36. p.s. "boo yourselves out of this election" I love that line.. 'cause that's what's happened.

And, this one..

"I was born in Brooklyn and I'm not afraid of bullies" Senator Barbara Boxer to BBBs

ucr~

[Stand and Fight]

40. I'll never forget her and the late Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones in 2004...

When they contested the electoral votes being counted and ratified for Bush due to the shenanigans in Ohio in elsewhere. I was so proud that day. I blasted David Bowie's "We Could be Heroes" and toasted them to a few glasses of wine. Boxer... Is she aptly named or what, Cha?

[Cha]

42. She's a Fighter like Hillary! I bet Hillary was so proud of Sen Boxer today, too~

[Stand and Fight]

44. No doubt about it.

If anyone needs an example of what it means to be a fighter, we have THREE great examples in Clinton, Boxer, and Warren! Those are the kinds of role models I want for my little girls!

[SharonClark]

58. k&r

[OKNancy]

45. I see the Sanders people are twisting the events to suit their prejudices

Unbiased observers all said the Sanders people were out of control.

... and did they think booing Boxer, a popular California senator, was a good idea before the California primary?

[Cha]

47. "..and did they think booing Boxer, a popular California senator, was a good idea before the

California primary?"

Good Point, Nancy.. one I did not think of.. hope word of this Nevada Convention spreads all over California.

[Hortensis]

55. Oh, that really is a good point! I'm glad they're

showing themselves up for what they are, for the whole country as well as California. It's important that people understand extremism is real and right here in the U.S.

[Cha]

56. Yes, not just in California.. all over the country!

[Stand and Fight]

73. It's spreading. My followers on Twitter are retweeting it a lot. It's not unnoticed.

[Cha]

87. Good! that's what I like to hear.. thank you!

[Her Sister]

48. So lucky we are here to get a first person account of what happened yesterday in Nevada

Thanks for being there and Standing and Fighting ! Thanks to your wife too and all who had to endure the whole ridiculous situation. Thanks for posting! So glad we're dodging a bullet by passing on the BS! Nevada in the HOUSE!!! Woohoo!!!

[Cha]

53. Yes We Are!

[Stand and Fight]

74. It's as simple as this...

When the Sanders people pulled their crap at the county conventions, our side didn't throw a tantrum or any of that nonsense. We regrouped and came back organized. No calling for the heads of parties or any of that extremist bullshit.

[Her Sister]

76. Awesome, Amazing, smart, Sane!

Kudos!!!!! Ah just great!!!

[livetohike]

49. Thank you! So glad there were grown ups in the room. Looks like

Sanders' "legacy" will be the immature and rude behavior of his supporters.

[Starry Messenger]

50. I'm in CA, and super pissed about what was done to Boxer.

Thank you for being there and documenting!

[Stand and Fight]

79. I think one of my followers said it best...

"You don't treat Babs like that. We're not going to forget."

[DemonGoddess]

51. Thank you Stand and Fight

You and your lovely wife! Thank you for sticking it out!

[workinclasszero]

52. Thank you so much for defending the vote of the people!

You and all the Hillary folks that were there are my heroes!

Its one thing to talk about freedom and democracy and a whole other thing to face down a howling mob trying to hijack the peoples vote!!!!

Awesome!!!!!

[Iliyah]

54. Cool with the exception of the nasty ones

Thanks!

[NastyRiffraff]

57. Adding my thanks, Stand and Fight

Your first-person posts are VERY useful in helping us understand what went on in Nevada.

I think we've come to the point where we need to be concerned about people's safety. These folks are rabid. I've been reading about the Salem Witch Trials, and how mass hysteria can happen. Your comment that when you talked to them one on one, they tended to be sane made me think of that.

[Stand and Fight]

78. That's what I've observed. In a group or online, it's like they become unhinged.

In one-on-one conversations, it is like night and day. I'll admit these conversations end in both of us still in disagreement, but they don't devolve into name calling or character assassination of either candidate.

[Sparkly]

63. Thank you, Stand and Fight.

Must have been awful to be there.

(What a bunch of WHINING on DU today!!!)

[Stand and Fight]

80. The hardest part is not responding to them here.

It's maddening to read their not even third person accounts of what went on since I saw it with my own eyes. I shushed Hillary people around me that occasionally booed, but most of the time we simply set in silence if a Sanders person was speaking. I turned my back on Nina Turner, but for the most part it was civil on the HRC side of the hall.

[Setsuna1972]

64. Those fools are crazy !

And I mean off the wall, completely lost their minds crazy ! Send them to the nearest Trump rally where they belong !

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Thank you S&F. Do you think if either the POTUS or VPOTUS addressed the bullying publicly, it...

might make a difference going forward? If Hillary delegates don't feel safe in these environments, will they show up?

[Stand and Fight]

81. I don't think that would make a difference.

Let me be clear, that NOT ALL SANDERS folks were behaving that way. I know some of them and they left in disgust. However, the majority were very worked up, and I think the president or vice-president saying anything would only inflame them further. I think only Bernie can cool their heads somewhat and I almost believe they'll turn on the senator as well.

[Surya Gayatri]

66. I'm in awe of your "sang froid" and courage, Stand & Fight.

You and your wife are an inspiration to us all.

Personally, if I'd had to be a front row witness to that despicable spectacle, I'm not sure I could've stuck it out. Those ugly, contorted faces frighten me, not to mention the decible level.

These unhinged Berners behave exactly like Teabaggers--trying to get their way by bullying and screaming.

And, his rabid supporters here on this forum have the gall to call this "taking the party back for democracy".

Pfffft!

[Stand and Fight]

82. It was not easy, but my wife and I made one key decision...

The hall was divided into two sides -- one side for HRC supporters and one for the Bernie supporters. At first my wife wanted to sit in one of the far left aisles which would have put us right next to them. I'm no hot head, but I know that if they started something, I am not one to not react if I thought my wife and daughter were in danger. So, I elected to sit in a column on the other side of the room so as to avoid them.

However, when we broke out into Congressional Districts to vote on delegates to the national convention, it was a mixed crowd. Lucy Flores - congressional candidate and Bernie supporter - was no more than six feet from me. One Bernie supporter approached the podium upset about the delegate allocation in CD-4 being 4 for HRC and 2 for BS. When he wouldn't sit down, I went up myself and shouted, "Why don't you cut the crap and go sit down? ENOUGH!" Others joined in and he retreated. Candidate Flores -- who has an inspirational story and I'd vote for if she didn't support Bernie -- seemed to think her fellow BS people were going over the line.

[Princess Turandot]

67. TY for the report,Stand & Fight! Out of curiosity, did they only verbally assault women speakers? nt

[LisaM]

70. I wondered that, too.

Booing women...

[Stand and Fight]

86. No. It was not sexist in my view. They booed men too.

Even one of the committee men who reminded them he's a Sanders supporter. I talked with him during county convention -- I can't recall his name -- and he is a Democrat who simply feels Sanders is the better candidate. He got up when they were booing Roberta -- our state chair -- and begged them to please stop it. They booed him as well.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

77. Interesting tweet

Jon Ralston
?@RalstonReports
Convention ended w/security shutting it down, Bernie folks rushed stage, yelling obscenities, throwing chairs. Unity Now! On to Philly 2/2



Did it really get that bad? First I've heard of violence.

[Stand and Fight]

84. Yes. It was and is that bad.

They've doxxed the State Chairwoman's info and threatened her person. Calling for hanging her. Last night they did rush the stage and THAT is why the Metro PD was surrounding the stage despite the lies being told by Bernie supporters on this board and elsewhere. The convention was called to a close because of that and because we'd ONLY leased the hall till 10pm PST.

I had my wife leave the hall with baby Katherine at one point. It really was beginning to take on a riotous atmosphere.