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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:28 PM May 2016

Bernie Sanders’s Forty-Year-Old Idea. The New Yorker (HRC GROUP)

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/bernie-sanderss-forty-year-old-idea

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Almost across the board, Europe’s Social Democratic parties have lost ground in recent years. Some say that this is precisely because they abandoned their core commitment to the kind of egalitarian society that Sanders envisions. But it’s also true that the parties were formed in a different era, when issues like immigration and free trade were not so pressing and divisive. Whereas Sanders opposes the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership being negotiated between the U.S. and the European Union, saying that it’s bad for American workers, European Social Democrats have defended it on the ground that their countries need to be competitive. And while Sanders has vowed that, as President, he would sign an executive order to grant illegal immigrants in the U.S. a path to citizenship, Europe’s Social Democratic parties are fractured by the immigration issue. The Dutch party has been steadily losing voters to Geert Wilders, the country’s Trump-like, anti-Muslim populist politician (who even has his own funny hairdo).

Sanders sometimes refers specifically to Europe’s Social Democratic parties, but just as often he calls himself a “democratic socialist,” which is something else entirely. As an old lefty, he surely knows the difference. The manipulation of leftist terminology allows him to pick and choose elements that suit a given moment on the campaign trail. Socialism is an ideology of dramatic change; young people respond to the rhetoric of “revolution,” and aren’t scared away by “socialism” in itself (though they aren’t nearly as excited about the idea of redistribution of wealth). Yet Sanders has no intention of trying to engineer a state takeover of the means of production. What he seems to want is a return to the era of his own youth, when his ideas were shaped by Europe’s Social Democrats in their heyday, politicians who dreamed of a society that was both egalitarian and capitalistic, and who erected vast social-welfare states. In Europe itself, those days are gone, while rampant inequality in the heartland of capitalism has fuelled Sanders’s run. Says Cas Mudde: “I think it’s ironic that the last real Social Democrat would be in the United States.”
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Bernie Sanders’s Forty-Year-Old Idea. The New Yorker (HRC GROUP) (Original Post) Her Sister May 2016 OP
"you'll like this article. Bernie is misleading them about Europe too." Her Sister May 2016 #1
He is a throwback to the old NYC Reds who used to meet in Cenrtal Park.... Walk away May 2016 #2
lol.. Henhouse May 2016 #4
Much like Sander's social media surrogates today. misterhighwasted May 2016 #5
His wife seemed to have tried having "salons" while in one of those Her Sister May 2016 #7
corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy. we've always known that about the Sanders'. misterhighwasted May 2016 #8
You forgot the big cigar and the shot of whisky while Her Sister May 2016 #6
No way! They never had money for cigars and booze! Plus they considered themselves... Walk away May 2016 #9
Yesh shenmue May 2016 #11
"The Heyday of his youth" That seems about right. Henhouse May 2016 #3
The dreamer Bernie Sanders... Blue Idaho May 2016 #10
Interesting read SharonClark May 2016 #12
Good read, HS! BlueMTexpat May 2016 #13
 

Her Sister

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1. "you'll like this article. Bernie is misleading them about Europe too."
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:30 PM
May 2016

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Walk away

(9,494 posts)
2. He is a throwback to the old NYC Reds who used to meet in Cenrtal Park....
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

and rant about politics while playing chess or reading Socialist newspapers. Apparently, they didn't have actual jobs because they were free to sit around and complain all day.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
5. Much like Sander's social media surrogates today.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

"and rant about politics while playing chess or reading Socialist newspapers. Apparently, they didn't have actual jobs because they were free to sit around and complain all day."

Ahh, the days of solving all the ills of the world in a cozy afternoon of armchair quaterback politics.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
7. His wife seemed to have tried having "salons" while in one of those
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

Colleges she "worked" at. Very intellectual people gathering am sure. Like that Sachs guy that invited them to the Vatican.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
6. You forgot the big cigar and the shot of whisky while
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016
meet-ing in Cenrtal Park....

and rant-ing about politics while playing chess or reading Socialist newspapers. Apparently, they didn't have actual jobs because they were free to sit around and complain all day.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
9. No way! They never had money for cigars and booze! Plus they considered themselves...
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

intellectuals! Smarter than everyone else. They believed that anyone who owned a business was an Oligarch. Blab, blab every day.

Bernie would have fit right in if he never left NYC and was about 40 years younger. That's the interesting thing about Bernie he is a complete throwback but he seems new to a bunch of kids.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
3. "The Heyday of his youth" That seems about right.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

"What he seems to want is a return to the era of his own youth, when his ideas were shaped by Europe’s Social Democrats in their heyday, politicians who dreamed of a society that was both egalitarian and capitalistic, and who erected vast social-welfare states."

Blue Idaho

(5,052 posts)
10. The dreamer Bernie Sanders...
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

I have little doubt that he was deeply moved by the ideas of forty years ago. What bothers me is the yawning chasm of his political career. What exactly did all the fire and enthusiasm of his youthful ideas ever produce - other than the naming of a couple of Post Offices? Nothing much really.

Bernie's new found love of the good old days seems more like the kind of nostalgia brought about by rediscovering old bell bottoms languishing in a trunk with the mothballs rather than a life long career energized into action by deeply held core values. Sadly it's long on style but short on substance.

As much as I like tribute acts this one is both hollow and shallow.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
12. Interesting read
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

Sanders is correct that income inequality and the concentration of wealth are important issues that threaten the US and the world. However, his stump speech, that I'm sure even all Hillary supports can recite verbatim, doesn't offer any workable solutions to how to eliminate those problems.

It's sad. Sanders needs to update his reading list for the 21st century and quit living in the past.

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