Bernie for V.P.?

[splat]

Being from Rhode Island, which Hillary lost yesterday, today has been a bummer. Many of my friends are ecstatic. Maybe I need new friends. But I'm wondering if Bernie has to be V.P. to put the coalition together.

We've noted that the two candidates' policies are not at heart that far apart.

His supporters could walk across that bridge more easily.

Anybody else would be a newcomer.

The dudebros could fight Trump's bullying. Lord knows I don't want anything to do with it.

Your thoughts?

[stopbush]

1. No. Fucking. Way!

[Cha]

73. Co-Sign!

[BlueMTexpat]

80. + a million or so.

No latter-day Dem dividers on the ticket! Absolutely not!

[William769]

2. NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL!

Sanders has burnt to many bridges with the Democratic party that he so up to recently despised.

Let him go back to being a no nothing Independent from Vermont.

[fred v]

69. Right On!

BUH-bye, Bernie! And good riddance!

[still_one]

74. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Cha]

75. And, Not Only That.. Hillary has Higher Standards for her Admin!

[yallerdawg]

3. No way.

At the very least, she needs to pick a Democrat!

[johnp3907]

4. Nope.

Find new friends.

[pandr32]

5. Hell no!

No explanation needed

[asuhornets]

6. Hill, no...eom

[Stand and Fight]

7. No.

[needledriver]

8. I was going to say no fucking way

But someone else already said it.

[sufrommich]

9. It's will be someone younger than Hillary.

Both parties hope a good VP pick will win the presidency in the future. Sanders is too old at this point.

[StevieM]

38. I don't totally agree with this argument.

On one hand, I agree that candidates often try to balance their tickets, and that includes factoring in considerations pertaining to age. However, there are other considerations as well.

For example, Hillary might contemplate nominating Wes Clark to be her VP. Clark was born in 1944 and would be 72 when they took office.

I'm just saying that you have to look at a number of different candidates. And sometimes you accept a tradeoff. You take on one set of challenges in exchange for another set of advantages.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

65. Yes! Wes Clark! He is really actually quite liberal, but called a right-wing military guy by DUers.

Don't know how some of the people waaaay to the left would react.

[JustAnotherGen]

83. Wesley Clark would be my dream VP

Pick. For personal reasons. But I don't think he wants to do it.

I think I like President Obama's middle name. He got dragged for it - but it made that name "acceptable.

I think the same thing would be cool if we had a VP Castro. I think Wesley Clark would say the same thing. My dad if he were still here would love that. He and Clark were very good friends.

[athena]

62. Be careful.

I got a post hidden for making the same point in this forum. Apparently, it's no longer acceptable to point out that the ideal VP is a young and relatively inexperienced politician.

See:

On Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Even if Bernie had not run such a sexist campaign against Hillary,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=104085

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

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Explanation: ageist and rather snippish.
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[stonecutter357]

10. Democratic party only.......thanks.

[Walk away]

11. Vice President of Moscow!

That seems right!

[Fla Dem]

12. No. He wouldn't take it anyway.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

13. Fuck no!

[NastyRiffraff]

14. Absolutely not!

Some of his supporters may be happy, but many couldn't stand the thought of St. Bernard in second place. Plus, he'd likely try to obstruct the president at every turn if she doesn't do exactly what HE wants. He's known to be hard to work with; who needs that?

[book_worm]

15. Your friends are ecstatic that he won one state last night?

No, he really doesn't add a lot to the ticket.

[splat]

46. Yes, he won "our" state

We were "Clinton country"!

Lot of anger at the Dem establishment here.

[still_one]

77. 50% of the voters in RI are registered as independent, which means those 50% don't align

themselves with the Democratic party.

What exactly does the "Democratic establishment mean"

That is a phrase used by anti-Hillary folks.

Democrats change things within the party by working together, not using a litmus test for who they consider to be a "true" Democrat.

[splat]

86. Unaffiliated, not Independent: How it works in R.I.

Many register as Unaffiliated and can choose at each election whether to take a Democratic or Republican ballot. You vote, and then go immediately to a table where you sign a form to disaffiliate again. You may vote Dem every time but the custom is to disaffiliate afterwards, to keep your options open.

A few years ago there were no contested Dems in the primary and a wacko GOP right-winger was running for a Senate seat held by Lincoln Chafee, who had not yet become a Democrat. Many of us, including me, voted in the GOP primary that year to vote against the wacko (who later moved to Colorado where he also lost). Although we were Republicans only for 5 minutes, we got their mailings till the next election.

In Rhode Island, the "Democratic establishment" means the entire slate of general officers, the entire Congressional delegation, and about 80% of the General Assembly. But jobs have left, taxes are high and people are frustrated. And there's no one else to blame here but those in office now.

[still_one]

87. Thanks for the information

[Kaleva]

16. No

[DesertFlower]

17. absolutely not.

[livetohike]

18. No way. It has to be someone competent and a Democrat for longer than 6 months!

I don't see how adding him to the ticket would be helpful. My guess is she will name a younger person from out West to bring in a region of the country, or someone from the South.

He doesn't bring anything to the table.

[Koinos]

19. Bad idea.

He doesn't work well with others.

[lamp_shade]

20. Trump's VP perhaps?

[pandr32]

40. Good Gawd!

I wouldn't put anything past either of these egomaniacs! They would bet us all in a longshot--just so that they might win

[NurseJackie]

21. Hell to the No!

[misterhighwasted]

22. No. She'd lose over half her supporters. Not to mention her credibility around the world.

Why put her entire legacy in the hands of a 74 yr old self appt millenial guru of hate. Has She read the Rape Fantasy series yet?
Makes me cringe just to think of him.
He has nothing to offer.

Let's see..hmm. Julian Castro or Bernie...Julian Castro or Bernie.


That's my thoughts on the matter of VP.

[splat]

47. Who's Julian Castro?

That's a problem here, I think.

[jmowreader]

71. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President Obama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Castro

People have been talking him up for quite some time. He's young, well-liked, very energetic, a good progressive Democrat...with some grooming at the hands of a master, he should be ready to be president when her 8 years is up.

[still_one]

78. First of all it is the MSM that is spewing that out, Hillary is very capable of making her own

judgement who would best complement the ticket.

Sanders is not a good match.

[BlueMTexpat]

81. It shouldn't be by GE time.

Another possibility is MOM.

There are LOTS of great possibilities and NOT ONE is Bernie, who likely wouldn't accept even if asked - which won't happen.

[IamMab]

23. Bernie and his supporters think his influence is greater than it really is.

He doesn't bring anything tangible to the ticket, just the ethereal support of young voters. I.E., the last demographic any candidate should rest their hopes upon.

[NYC Liberal]

29. We're talking about people who

had a YEAR from when their candidate announced to figure out how to vote for him when election time came, a YEAR to find out their state's election laws and the Democratic Party rules, a YEAR to register to vote or change their party registration -- and they couldn't even be bothered. They just showed up on election day, and when informed of the very basic rules, ran out and screamed "fraud."

These are the people we're talking about.

[splat]

48. not just young voters in R.I.

Lots of voters I would have thought would go for her. It was a rejection of some of our Dem governor's proposals and General Assembly too, but the boonies and the city of Providence went for Bernie. Very surprised.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

67. A psychiatrist at work who is otherwise intelligent is a die-hard Sanders supporter. She thinks he

still has a chance..... She's in her 30s though so a bit young.

[ucrdem]

72. It might help in swing state like Ohio but she won Ohio

Michigan and Hawaii are reliably blue, Utah and and Montana are reliably red, so I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make in November. But every little bit helps so if they can come to an agreement I'd be game. There might be more strategically useful choices but beyond bringing in a state or two there isn't much the Veep really does. In Sanders' case however he makes Hillary seem more youthful and that's a real asset. Also I think she kind of liked him before his latest campaign even though he's never had a kind word for the Clintons. Hard to see how she can restore that after the lousy things his campaign has said about Chelsea.

[displacedtexan]

24. Oh, hell no.

Or, as my favorite new TV character says, "Bloody Hell!"

[Bleacher Creature]

25. I think I'll have a big helping of NO!

[sheshe2]

26. No.

Absolutely not.

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. Not going to happen. I don't think Sanders would accept it.

[dlwickham]

28. just no

[RBInMaine]

30. That would be DOOM. You would see hammer and sickle ads night and day.

Bernie would NEVER win the general election because he is a self-described socialist, and Hillary would NEVER, EVER choose him because of it.

[UtahLib]

31. I hope you're kidding. He's not qualified. eom

[wildeyed]

32. Only if we can lock them in a room, make them cage fight

while the rest of us make bets.

DudeBros Vs. Trumpettes, that would be EPIC!

But seriously, I don't think he wants it and he is temperamentally unsuited to the position. It is A LOT of dressing up and going to fancy dinners with people you hate but have to pretend to like..... Warren would be better at the actual job, the berners like her too, but I doubt she wants it either.

VP is not an important job unless you want to be President next. And the clock is ticking, if you know what I mean.

[splat]

49. Yes, we don't want to cage fight, let them do it! n/t

[Iliyah]

53. LOL

[uponit7771]

33. He's not a details kinda guy, I don't think they'd get along too well

[wysi]

34. Never

Terrible idea.

[George II]

35. There's a reason why he lost miserably. I don't want that reason to drag down Hillary Clinton.

[DemonGoddess]

36. Absolutely NO WAY IN HELL

should he be VP.

He doesn't work well with others, which would be a requirement.

[otohara]

37. Nope, Not Gonna Happen

his supporters heads would explode.

[obamanut2012]

39. Good God, no

[ronnykmarshall]

41. Fuck no!

[lucca18]

42. No..No.....No!!!!!

[mcar]

43. No

Just no.

[Setsuna1972]

44. Hell no !!!

Because he'd try to be all for himself

[Quayblue]

45. No

He has absolutely no clue what he is doing and is very untrustworthy.

[katmille]

50. That crabby old narcissist?

Hell, no! Look, he's two years younger than I am so I'm not being "ageist", I'm just ready for a positive, compassionate, wise, experienced WOMAN!! We've had enough old white men running the world for far too long. Let's try something different! So, not only no way, but He'll, no!
And BTW, why does he think he can make demands? HE'S LOSING!! Ok, I'm shouting.
I'll stop.
Just NO!

[riversedge]

51. No, thanks.

[Buzz Clik]

52. No thank you.

[droidamus2]

54. Not a good idea

For a couple of reasons that would not be a good idea. One, not guaranteed that a Democrat would follow Bernie into the Senate and progressives need the Senate in Democratic hands even if they are not pushing progressive programs as much as we would like. Two, as Vice President Bernie would be put in the position of begin subordinate to Hillary and having to push her programs rather than his revolution. Bernie would be in a much better position to push progressive programs as an independent Senator.

[Iliyah]

55. I can't get that cage fight out of my imagination

Whewwwwww, LOL

My answer, nope, nada, no way Jose . . . . . .

[NanceGreggs]

56. NO fuckin' way!

What an absolutely repugnant idea.

[NNadir]

57. Nah. There are many better candidates. n/t

[Sunsky]

58. Absolutely not.

[2naSalit]

59. Uhhhh NO!

[Connie_Corleone]

60. No

[SunSeeker]

61. No.

[SaschaHM]

63. Nope.

Celebrity campaign surrogates are still out there beating the Indictment and Voter fraud drum. The only thing Bernie deserves in a 10 a.m. convention speech.

[DawgHouse]

64. Hell no.

It will be Julian Castro.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

66. If a disaster happened and it was the only way she could win Prez. I would have to be pressing mute

on my remote an awful lot. I can no longer take his voice.....

[grossproffit]

68. I never want to hear his name again.

[jmowreader]

70. Fuck. No.

After all the shit he's flung at Hillary?

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. I'll just drop this here.....

[rbrnmw]

79. NO

[still_one]

82. I may be going out on a limb here, but I sense that suggestion isn't very popular

[Koinos]

84. I assure you the limb is rock-solid.

[Politicub]

85. Ugh, please, no.

There are lots of people more qualified than him.

[liberal N proud]

88. At one time it looked good

But NO FUCKING WAY!

He needs to be sent packing back the mountains he came from.

[kstewart33]

89. Vice presidents are usually selected for an electoral advantage.

Which means that Hillary would gain more votes and could win Vermont.

Vermont has 3 electoral delegates.

Trump would have a field day with Bernie. I guarantee that he would dig into Bernie's biography and go into great detail on the stump about Bernie's relationships with Fidel Castro, David Ortega the Sandinista rebels, and a variety of Marxists and Communists. Which the vast majority of Bernie's supporters know nothing about.

I think he would cost Hillary the election.

[Historic NY]

90. It won't work Bernie's a one man band.