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still_one

(92,216 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:18 AM Apr 2016

So Sanders essentially believes that independents should decide who the Democratic nominee is.

Sorry Bernie. DEMOCRATS want DEMOCRATS to decide who their party's nominee is. Obviously, that statement you sent to MSNBC leaves in question just how much you want to be part of the Democratic party.

When you started this campaign, you joined the Democratic party. Now you are upset because you think independents should decide who the Democratic nominee is?

Bullshit. Independents had plenty of time to register as Democrats in states that have closed primaries. There is only two reasons why that didn't happen. 1. They don't want to be associated with the Democratic party, and 2. They are ignorant about the registration process. Either way, those are lame excuses, and express only that you Mr. Sanders, are a sore loser.

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So Sanders essentially believes that independents should decide who the Democratic nominee is. (Original Post) still_one Apr 2016 OP
independents will swing to the democratic party nominee except for the bitter holdouts nt msongs Apr 2016 #1
It would be like Canada deciding who our president would be. The key element here is DNC Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2
I tried to stay neutral in the primary because I am so pro Dem and anti Repub Frances Apr 2016 #3
That's fine when pivoting to the GE, not in the Democratic primary Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #7
Exactly still_one Apr 2016 #10
'cause he's losing to Dems.. that party he hates. Cha Apr 2016 #4
Gald to see you Cha, didn't see you earlier when the results were coming through still_one Apr 2016 #11
Aloha and Mahalo, stillone! It's really awesome to see all of you in such Cha Apr 2016 #12
Bernie Sanders knows that the underthematrix Apr 2016 #5
Nothing to add. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #6
So long as they vote for him Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #8
A whole bunch of them need to stfu and go away Tommy2Tone Apr 2016 #9
Seems I add to mine 2naSalit Apr 2016 #13
exaggeration ... are.you.sure Apr 2016 #14
If Sanders had run as an independent he could have bypassed the messy democratic primaries. Whimsey Apr 2016 #17
Agree 100% SharonClark Apr 2016 #19
A primary is NOT NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #23
They're under the delusion that independents are some kind of cool free-thinking progressives ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #15
Like they think everyone under 30 wants Sanders to be president SharonClark Apr 2016 #18
So well said. Couldn't agree more. The unimpeachable truth. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #16
Republicans can vote in an open Democratic primary, too. Pathwalker Apr 2016 #20
Listening to Bernie is a head scratcher for me, too! pandr32 Apr 2016 #21
Kick & highly recommended. William769 Apr 2016 #22

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. It would be like Canada deciding who our president would be. The key element here is DNC
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

it is the party of Democrats, we are not Republicans, we should not choose the GOP nominee either, this is a choice voters makes, don't disparage the DNC process by telling Democrats we do not have the right to choose our nominee.

Frances

(8,545 posts)
3. I tried to stay neutral in the primary because I am so pro Dem and anti Repub
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

I don't have a problem with Dems selecting the Dem candidate

But in the general, we will need to get Independent votes.

I think we should all work hard to do that

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
7. That's fine when pivoting to the GE, not in the Democratic primary
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:01 AM
Apr 2016

People outside the Dem party should not get to decide who our nominee is. Period. If people want a say they can register as Dems.

Cha

(297,281 posts)
12. Aloha and Mahalo, stillone! It's really awesome to see all of you in such
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:05 AM
Apr 2016

a celebratory mood! Hillary

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
5. Bernie Sanders knows that the
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

Republican, Democratic, and other parties run presidential primaries and caucuses. He knows that political parties, which includes all its registered voters the candidate they want to run as their party's presidential nominee. This why Bernie Sanders registered as a Democrat in 2015 so he could use the ESTABLISHED Democratic party machine.

Bernie preyed on the anger and ignorance of his supporters. That's so sad.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
9. A whole bunch of them need to stfu and go away
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:27 AM
Apr 2016

I personally feel that anyone on a site for Democrats that says they won't support the Democratic candidate in the election needs to be banned.

Me I plan on using my "full ignore" button a lot more.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
13. Seems I add to mine
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:11 AM
Apr 2016

every day, and not just one or two. Can't wait til this whole messy part is over.

are.you.sure

(6 posts)
14. exaggeration ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:25 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders emphatically states that when a state conducts a public process primary election on behalf of a private corporation like the NYS Democratic Party the state is conducting an exclusionary election which is not reflective of the will of the whole of that state's electorate.

Sanders also advocates that voters should not have to affiliate with a private corporation or party in order to participate in a public process primary election, that early voting should be allowed to an extent far more accomodating than absentee ballots are, that voters should be able to expediently cast their votes, that election workers should facilitate rather than impede voters voting, and that those authorized by state law to register to vote should be able to register to vote up to and even on the same day as elections in order for them to act on such state authorization.

Are you sure you aren't exaggerating what Sander's said?

 

Whimsey

(236 posts)
17. If Sanders had run as an independent he could have bypassed the messy democratic primaries.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:56 AM
Apr 2016

No sympathy for Sanders, or Trump, on the fact that parties want to set their own rules on their party primaries. Both could have run as independents, bypassed the primaries and been on the ballot for the general election where they could have muscled their way onto the debate stage. Both wanted to use the "infrastructure" set up by the parties, but wanted it to play their way. The whole point of a party is they want to produce a nominee who is a member of their party, not an independent interloper.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
23. A primary is NOT
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

"reflective of the will of the whole of that state's electorate." It's supposed to be reflective of a political party (I have no idea what he means by a "private corporation" in this context.)

Why is it so hard to understand that a nominee of the Democratic should be selected by Democrats? Same goes for a Republican nominee. If Sanders wants a third party he ought to do the hard work of promoting one. But it's easier to run as a Democrat, even though the Democratic Party is part of the hated establishment.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
15. They're under the delusion that independents are some kind of cool free-thinking progressives
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:06 AM
Apr 2016

rather than teabaggers, libertarians, greens who probably think Sanders is a sellout for running as a dem, undecided idiots, and a bunch of center-right swing voters who skew way more toward Clinton than Sanders.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
18. Like they think everyone under 30 wants Sanders to be president
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016

It must be a shock to them that some are even republicans.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
20. Republicans can vote in an open Democratic primary, too.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

We certainly don't want them deciding who our candidate should be. Remember Michigan.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
21. Listening to Bernie is a head scratcher for me, too!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

One of the things I think is happening is that so much of his base is young and hoodwinked. They really have not had the experience in life or as voters to resist the rhetoric of Bernie Sanders. They have taken it as gospel--including the demonizing of Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Now Sanders wants to posture himself as the leader of this group, and that even though Hillary Clinton has cleaned his clock among registered Democrats he insists his group "is the future of the Democratic Party."
This is all about Sanders, and not his followers. He does not want to let go.

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