Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumBernie's background is interesting.
http://vtdigger.org/2015/07/09/bernie-sanders-early-days-in-vermont-his-life-loves-and-circuitous-route-to-politics/"One period of his life, the years from 1964 to 1971, however, has been left unexplained."
I have read this twice and I am still confused. Your bio is your bio and it should not be that difficult to sort out the truth. How many times has he been married? How did he avoid the draft?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I didn't write it and his life is his life and he does want to be President.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'll post it when I get it, something about the grouo not being used for bashing Bernie? Seems like the hosts job IMO, not a jury.
Though I do agree that the article would be better off in GD . I don't run this place so...
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Like I said... I just thought it was interesting.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)On Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bernie's background is interesting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110711718
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Abuse of a protected group. This is for Hillary Clinton support. Not Bernie Sanders attacks where his supporters cannot respond. Should be hidden.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:33 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a protected group... If the hosts want to lock the thread have at it, this post is not a violation of the DU TOS which is what I am supposed to judge here. -Agschmid
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, this is the second one like this I've seen. It is not your job to police the HRC group. Let them deal with it, by locking if they so choose.
Go to your protected BS group and make a thread to refute. No one gets to argue the points brought up in a protected group but the members and hosts there. It seems you are trying to control discussion in protected group, perhaps you have been banned for abusing the group, I don't know but you could have tried to refute instead of making a bogus alert like this.
Go to your group and post there. You can refute the idea of the OP in the BS group. You are not the host of HRC and you appear to be wanting to hide threads in that group to harrass them.
I will not hide a post since you are complaining on Bernie's behalf. This at best is a SOP alert, but you ruined that with discussing groups and refuting.
DU does not belong to any one person, and the groups are not under the control of anyone but the hosts.
This is a big fail in alerting and I will not vote to hide anything that is worded this way. It's just a silly alert when you say this.
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The question should be easily settled by research. The question is valid and always asked of presidential(male) candidates.
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TOS claim is truly off. Its just an article trying to fill in some data about a Presidential candidate.
sheshe2
(83,942 posts)Your voice is appreciated. I know you are a Bernie supporter. Yes, I support Hillary now. I was always an Obama gal.
You. You are so incredibly kind and fair here. You show tolerance when so many wish to show hate. You want a discussion when some wish to silence us. You were tossed out of the Bernie Group. I find that sad, I think Bernie would be appalled. Your voice does not count much more than mine here.
I think you are an incredibly enlighten person and Bernie is lucky to have you on his side. You seem to be for all the people, not just the few.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,137 posts)This thread is about Sanders himself. No mention of his supporters. So why do they feel they 'deserve' to be able to respond to it in a protected group?
I could understand if this thread were about DU members. But that alert is just bizarre.
Cha
(297,774 posts)sheshe2
(83,942 posts)Dayum!
They want us silenced everywhere.Every group needs to be silenced, except the BS group.
Cha
(297,774 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)murielm99
(30,775 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Frivolous IMO.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)back then.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Just an attempt to clarify some facts but I am still confused.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)But it does provide some interesting information not found at other sources.
William769
(55,148 posts)sheshe2
(83,942 posts)Durham D.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)It's NOT a hit piece.
As far as his marriages... From what I read, he was married to Deborah, then was with girlfriend Susan who had the child Levi but they never married. Then he married ( is it Judy? ) and has been married to her since.
Reading one of the comments which seems to be correct, by the time he was eligible for the draft or lottery, he was too old.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The first one was his college sweetheart (he married and divorced her, she has the same name as the star of Will and Grace, Deborah Messing), the second was Susan Mott, the mother of his son, Levi (he apparently did not marry her, even though the newspaper reported her name at the birth as Susan Sanders), and the third is his present wife, in the photo below with the blue patterened shirt and dark trousers, standing behind the Senator.
The son is in the striped shirt to the left:
It looks like this source (with a number of pictures) got a lot of their detail from VT Digger, which has been covering the Sanders candidacy from the start.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155396/Bernie-Sanders-1960s-love-life-revealed-wife-woman-son-sugar-shack-home-lived-revolutionary.html
I'm a bit surprised that anyone would consider this thread to be alert-worthy. These details will come out, and many more, too--calling people names for repeating what's in the major papers is a pointless exercise. Nowadays, no one cares about a full grown "love child." And if the marriage, and later, the kid were useful in terms of getting a draft deferment, well, it's not like he was a pro-war type, anyway...he's been consistent on that point, certainly. Bill Clinton put his money where his mouth was, in a well-written letter, too, with regard to Vietnam service, and George Bush went AWOL. Hillary is off the hook, they wouldn't let her serve in any meaningful capacity during that conflict.
It's just weird that anyone would get so angry, especially since VT DIGGER has been pretty kind to Sanders in their coverage. They're not going to lie about anything, but they're not going for the "gotcha" either. Now, the DM, sure, they'd play gotcha all day--but they always have good pictures and a few facts swirled into their innuendo, but we KNOW that about them so we're smart to be en garde. They're very tabloid-y in that regard.
This isn't anything for anyone to get excited about....now, if they found out he was dealing weed and coke back then, that might make the conversation more interesting! I haven't seen a thing pointing in that direction, though, so I suspect people hoping for something on those lines might be disappointed. From what I heard, he was doing basic handyman stuff and trying to be a writer or something--sometimes the truth is boring. We'll see, though. He'll have to get more traction before anyone spends a fortune oppo-ing him in a big way.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)level and not have people delve into his past. No matter how distasteful it is, people want to KNOW the person they are voting for.
I think it's weird that he was 40 years old before he had steady employment (as mayor), I don't actually know anyone (except my BIL) who was able to do that and survive.
George II
(67,782 posts)Of course it has made it's way to the "Trending Now" list, as they all do.
awake
(3,226 posts)"Statement of Purpose
Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."
I believe that this group is for discussions of HRC and not any other candidate, because such discussions will lead to distraction from the stated purpose of this group. Is it possible that this thread could be move to another area on this site.
William769
(55,148 posts)The Statement of Purpose is a guideline that the Hosts use and this Statement of Purpose was written before the Primary season started.
The Hosts ultimately decide what is permissible and what is not (this is our Group to run as we see fit).
If you have a problem with way the Hosts are running this Group just remember, no one is forcing you to come in here and read. If you don't like what's being posted then I would suggest not coming to the Group to see what we are talking about. It's really that simple.
William769
One of your friendly Hillary Clinton Group Hosts.
okasha
(11,573 posts)We've missed you.
William769
(55,148 posts)Try as they might, they can't keep a good man down.
okasha
(11,573 posts)I think more posters have become aware of the relentless, juvenile alert-trolling and are disgusted by it.
William769
(55,148 posts)Cha
(297,774 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)BTW, these two sweet guys are still raising big cats. They insist the mauling by Mantecore was not an attack, but a defensive act as Roy was having a seizure from the flashing lights. It's a form of epilepsy, for those not in the know, and rapid light changes trigger it.
Which is exactly what happened at their show, too many flashing lights. And cats carry each other by the throat, the way that their mothers move them. Roy had a very poor prognosis and had to have a lot of terrible surgery but exceeded all expectations and is doing well, only slightly handicapped. There are a lot of good pictures of the pair at the Daily Mail.
to them and you! Thanks for all you do for HRC. Hitlery!
William769
(55,148 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,016 posts)I remember seeing a documentary on those two--what an incredible pair!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Seizure triggers vary from person to person. But some common triggers are:
* Flashing light
* Bright, contrasting patterns such as white bars against a black background
* Flashing white light followed by darkness
* Stimulating images that take up your complete field of vision, such as being very close to a TV screen
* Certain colors, such as red and blue
Some specific examples of situations or events that can trigger seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy are:
* Nightclub and theater lights, including strobe lights
* TV screens and computer monitors
* Flashing lights on police cars, fire trucks, ambulances, and safety alarms
* Visual effects in movies, TV shows, and video games
* Malfunctioning fluorescent lights and moving escalators
* Light viewed through a fast-moving ceiling fan
* Sunlight viewed through slanted blinds or stair railings
* Sun shining through tree leaves or reflecting off water
* Bold, striped wallpaper and fabric
* Cameras with multiple flashes or many cameras flashing at the same time
* Fireworks
http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/guide/photosensitive-epilepsy-symptoms-causes-treatment
Which is what it was said was happening that night, a lot of flashes from people taking pictures with their cameras. Roy having a seizure would indicate to the cat that he was being attacked. All along he and Seigfried insisted it was a defensive act precipitated by too many camera lights flashing too close to the stage.
Some people wanted the cat put ot sleep, but they refused and took it home and cared for it until it passed years later at the age of 17 years old, which is a long time for a tiger.
The only thing left out of the early stories was that Roy had epilepsy of that type. It is also triggered by fatigue, making the brain less able to process. This was in the latest article about the cat passing.
I've known people with it who requested people to not post flashing or strobe like effect gifs or videos on their pages, but some trollish personalities would do it on purpose. I'm sensitive to it myself and skip by fast gifs. The website has an explanation for it.
Siegfried and Roy are still raising baby big cats. Their numbers are in decline world wide from habitat loss and trophy hunting. So some private individuals have taken on the task of keeping them safe. But not all, remember Tom DeLay and the canned hunts that conservatives enjoy?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Your concern is noted.
posted your concerns about the Bernie Group as well? Would love to see the link. TIA~
FYI,I am a new Host at the HRC Group, I have been a Host in the Obama Group for years, did you pose that question to the BOG as well?
Have a great evening.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It's starting to look like "Gunfight at OK Corral" so we need all the gunfighters we can get!
Apparently, denying Hillary Clinton the nomination and the presidency is the be all and end all of a great deal of participation around here.
'Someone else' is the beneficiary, electable or not. Reason and rationality have left the building.
Hillary needs to get out her hammer and nails ($), and finish off the irrational exuberance.
This is not 2008.
sheshe2
(83,942 posts)Who needs a gun? I have superpowers, yallerdawg.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)We now have our own "Justice League"!
Great hosts stepping up against the hordes!
sheshe2
(83,942 posts)It is a great group of hosts here. We sure will be busy.
awake
(3,226 posts)I do not feel it is in the interest of electing HRC to get into the Personal life of another candidate, I would rather see the focus on the issues and in my mind the personal life is not a issue. For the life of me bringing up anyone's marriage is not a area that helps HRC no one I know wants Hillary's marriage an issue (other than RePucks).
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)are held to that "higher standard"?
We don't get to play like everyone else?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Oh well!
awake
(3,226 posts)I would not be surprised if this issue was started to "allow" talk of Hillary's marriage to become fair game, I feel that peoples privet life should stay that way. If people want to talk about others "past" in this group then I guess the host here have the final say not me, I am just suggesting that in my mind there is nothing to help Hillary in Bernie's past marriage. Some of Hillary's opponents would love to see her slid into the mud of past marital issues, lets just not help them go there.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)We will discuss Sanders as much as we feel the need.
Thank you but this isxue is settled.
awake
(3,226 posts)I am no longer asking it to be moved, I am suggesting that this issue may be a Trojan Horse meant to start talk about Hillary's marriage. I for one feel that the "high road" is the better tactic in the long run, I am aware that not all share that view.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DUers have been talking about Hillary's marriage long before this op.
awake
(3,226 posts)But two Wrights can make a Airplane
Alright it seem to me some DUers do like tearing other Democratic's down. I prefer to talk about Issues that relate to the problems which actually have an effect on Americans instead of any candidate's marriage, I may be wrong but I feel that it is in the RePucks interest to have talk of marriage instead of the real Issues.
George II
(67,782 posts)...have you been to the Bernie Sanders Group lately? They not only tear down Clinton there but also her supporters.
awake
(3,226 posts)Hillary is making a major speech on Monday stepping on Scot Walkers "Big Day"
now that is good news much more important than someones privet life.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)I just believe that our real concern is with the Repucks and I believe they may be behind this story trying to take us into the mud. I do not know the intention of source of this "story" it just seems like the story helps Repucks more than Hillary.
I do not see how this helps Hillary?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sheshe2
(83,942 posts)See ya, would not want to be ya.
FYI. You already rolled in the mud and came up dirty. TaTa~
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Someone drops in and complains about what we shouldn't do, how it will hurt us...while actually repeating the same nasty accusation over and over?
Beware the 5th Column.
sheshe2
(83,942 posts)and being talked about in the BS Group often.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)The Clinton's marriage has been the subject du jour for years. Fair game indeed, lol
Historic NY
(37,454 posts)Born in 1941 to Polish immigrants in Brooklyn, N.Y., Sanders graduated from James Madison High School in 1959 and from the University of Chicago in 1964 with a degree in political science. After a stint on an Israeli kibbutz, the future senator moved to Vermont, where he worked as a carpenter, filmmaker and director of the American Peoples Historical Society.
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/all-about-bernie/Content?oid=2428245
I think there are too many bio's out there crafted by others which don't seem to fit. He is going to need to correct the record at some point, because now its confusing even to people he had a relationship with.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)It is not mean or anything.
One thing Steve said at first that I hadn't thought about: If Hillary had an out-of-wedlock child.... you would sure hear about it.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Glad Steve pointed out the hypocrisy (sexism) of the media.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)And heaven forbid if she had said you get cervical cancer from not having enough orgasms.....the press would have had a group orgasm over the thought of reporting about it....but that one has been kept quiet until now.