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DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:15 PM Jul 2015

Bernie's background is interesting.

http://vtdigger.org/2015/07/09/bernie-sanders-early-days-in-vermont-his-life-loves-and-circuitous-route-to-politics/


"One period of his life, the years from 1964 to 1971, however, has been left unexplained."


I have read this twice and I am still confused. Your bio is your bio and it should not be that difficult to sort out the truth. How many times has he been married? How did he avoid the draft?

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Bernie's background is interesting. (Original Post) DURHAM D Jul 2015 OP
This has been alerted on. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1
Ok. Why? DURHAM D Jul 2015 #3
I can't remember the alert comments IMO it was frivolous. Agschmid Jul 2015 #5
Does it seem like bashing? DURHAM D Jul 2015 #6
Meh, not really. Agschmid Jul 2015 #7
Thanks. DURHAM D Jul 2015 #11
Thank you Agschmid. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #15
Good jury bad alert. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #20
Perhaps the alerter should review the posts in the Bernie Sanders group? George II Jul 2015 #24
What gets me is... NYC Liberal Jul 2015 #67
Good explanation from you, Agschmid.. I was on that jury, too. Cha Jul 2015 #10
Good for you, Cha sheshe2 Jul 2015 #13
The Alert Police loses one.. gotta love it, she! Cha Jul 2015 #14
Disgusting that we hhave to go through this targeting. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #22
Because some can't stand criticism of Sanders and have to shut down discussion of criticism of him. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #21
Why? n/t murielm99 Jul 2015 #8
See the jury results up thread, I certainly don't know why it was alerted on. Agschmid Jul 2015 #9
I don't think Sanders can win, but it has nothing to do with what he did or didn't do Hoyt Jul 2015 #2
The article is not really negative. DURHAM D Jul 2015 #4
This thread probably belongs in GD Primaries. Koinos Jul 2015 #12
Thanks for posting DURHAM D and oy vey on the alert. William769 Jul 2015 #16
KnR sheshe2 Jul 2015 #17
Interesting article in a gossipy kind of way OKNancy Jul 2015 #18
There are three women in his life (not a huge number by any means). MADem Jul 2015 #19
He is an unknown in many ways, I hope he doesn't expect that he can run a campaign on a national seaglass Jul 2015 #23
There's a posted article similar to this, but more "glowing", in the BS Group: George II Jul 2015 #25
"Hillary Clinton (Group): About This Group" awake Jul 2015 #26
Heres a little hint for you. William769 Jul 2015 #27
Welcome back, William! okasha Jul 2015 #29
Thank you okasha William769 Jul 2015 #30
Hell no, they can't! okasha Jul 2015 #31
Agreed. William769 Jul 2015 #32
So now we have those trying to tell the Hosts of HRC how to run their Group! Rofl.. Cha Jul 2015 #56
We expect no less from you, Siegfried Hitlery! freshwest Jul 2015 #58
Spot on frewshwest. William769 Jul 2015 #59
I am so happy to hear that ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #60
From the article I found, Roy suffers from Photosensitive Epilepsy: freshwest Jul 2015 #61
We the hosts will decide what we will be allowed here than you very much. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #28
Have you, sheshe2 Jul 2015 #33
A new sheriff in town? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #34
Lol~ New Sheriff. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #41
I know you do! yallerdawg Jul 2015 #44
I will still keep up with the BOG as well! sheshe2 Jul 2015 #45
No, It was my understanding that this was a group to talk about HRC awake Jul 2015 #35
We are allowed to ask questions of Sanders. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #36
Even Hillary supporters... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #37
Yep, we are held to higher standards and it is not fair. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #38
Sure, I just feel this line of questioning will lead down a road which could backfire on HRC awake Jul 2015 #39
Well I and the other hosts of this room say it is ok. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #40
It has already been made clear that the hosts of this group approve of this talk awake Jul 2015 #42
I got news for you. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #43
Two wrong do not make a right awake Jul 2015 #46
"some DUers do like tearing other Democratics down"... George II Jul 2015 #47
Because others like the gutter means I should roll in the mud? awake Jul 2015 #48
It is just an op in this room.and do you scold DUers who talk about the Clinton's private life? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #51
It was not intent to "scold" anyone awake Jul 2015 #52
We will quextion him all we want. This conversation is at an end. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #53
See you are gone. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #55
Was this an example of passive-aggressive behavior? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #57
Truth... sheshe2 Jul 2015 #49
I wish people would just stop coming in here to scold us. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #50
are you serious? BooScout Jul 2015 #63
This one says he went to a kibbutz... Historic NY Jul 2015 #54
good MSNBC ( Up with Steve Kornaki) interview with author OKNancy Jul 2015 #62
Thanks for posting. DURHAM D Jul 2015 #64
too true.... BooScout Jul 2015 #65
Good point. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #66

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
5. I can't remember the alert comments IMO it was frivolous.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:31 PM
Jul 2015

I'll post it when I get it, something about the grouo not being used for bashing Bernie? Seems like the hosts job IMO, not a jury.

Though I do agree that the article would be better off in GD . I don't run this place so...

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
7. Meh, not really.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jul 2015

On Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie's background is interesting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110711718

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Abuse of a protected group. This is for Hillary Clinton support. Not Bernie Sanders attacks where his supporters cannot respond. Should be hidden.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:33 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a protected group... If the hosts want to lock the thread have at it, this post is not a violation of the DU TOS which is what I am supposed to judge here. -Agschmid
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, this is the second one like this I've seen. It is not your job to police the HRC group. Let them deal with it, by locking if they so choose.

Go to your protected BS group and make a thread to refute. No one gets to argue the points brought up in a protected group but the members and hosts there. It seems you are trying to control discussion in protected group, perhaps you have been banned for abusing the group, I don't know but you could have tried to refute instead of making a bogus alert like this.

Go to your group and post there. You can refute the idea of the OP in the BS group. You are not the host of HRC and you appear to be wanting to hide threads in that group to harrass them.

I will not hide a post since you are complaining on Bernie's behalf. This at best is a SOP alert, but you ruined that with discussing groups and refuting.

DU does not belong to any one person, and the groups are not under the control of anyone but the hosts.

This is a big fail in alerting and I will not vote to hide anything that is worded this way. It's just a silly alert when you say this.


Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If it's a moderated forum, take it up with the moderator. This is not a TOS violation.

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The question should be easily settled by research. The question is valid and always asked of presidential(male) candidates.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
11. Thanks.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

TOS claim is truly off. Its just an article trying to fill in some data about a Presidential candidate.

sheshe2

(83,942 posts)
15. Thank you Agschmid.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:35 AM
Jul 2015

Your voice is appreciated. I know you are a Bernie supporter. Yes, I support Hillary now. I was always an Obama gal.

You. You are so incredibly kind and fair here. You show tolerance when so many wish to show hate. You want a discussion when some wish to silence us. You were tossed out of the Bernie Group. I find that sad, I think Bernie would be appalled. Your voice does not count much more than mine here.

I think you are an incredibly enlighten person and Bernie is lucky to have you on his side. You seem to be for all the people, not just the few.

NYC Liberal

(20,137 posts)
67. What gets me is...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jul 2015

This thread is about Sanders himself. No mention of his supporters. So why do they feel they 'deserve' to be able to respond to it in a protected group?

I could understand if this thread were about DU members. But that alert is just bizarre.

sheshe2

(83,942 posts)
13. Good for you, Cha
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:40 AM
Jul 2015

Dayum!

They want us silenced everywhere.Every group needs to be silenced, except the BS group.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
21. Because some can't stand criticism of Sanders and have to shut down discussion of criticism of him.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:30 AM
Jul 2015

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
4. The article is not really negative.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:31 PM
Jul 2015

Just an attempt to clarify some facts but I am still confused.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
12. This thread probably belongs in GD Primaries.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:51 PM
Jul 2015

But it does provide some interesting information not found at other sources.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
18. Interesting article in a gossipy kind of way
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:04 AM
Jul 2015

It's NOT a hit piece.

As far as his marriages... From what I read, he was married to Deborah, then was with girlfriend Susan who had the child Levi but they never married. Then he married ( is it Judy? ) and has been married to her since.

Reading one of the comments which seems to be correct, by the time he was eligible for the draft or lottery, he was too old.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. There are three women in his life (not a huge number by any means).
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:16 AM
Jul 2015

The first one was his college sweetheart (he married and divorced her, she has the same name as the star of Will and Grace, Deborah Messing), the second was Susan Mott, the mother of his son, Levi (he apparently did not marry her, even though the newspaper reported her name at the birth as Susan Sanders), and the third is his present wife, in the photo below with the blue patterened shirt and dark trousers, standing behind the Senator.

The son is in the striped shirt to the left:




It looks like this source (with a number of pictures) got a lot of their detail from VT Digger, which has been covering the Sanders candidacy from the start.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155396/Bernie-Sanders-1960s-love-life-revealed-wife-woman-son-sugar-shack-home-lived-revolutionary.html

I'm a bit surprised that anyone would consider this thread to be alert-worthy. These details will come out, and many more, too--calling people names for repeating what's in the major papers is a pointless exercise. Nowadays, no one cares about a full grown "love child." And if the marriage, and later, the kid were useful in terms of getting a draft deferment, well, it's not like he was a pro-war type, anyway...he's been consistent on that point, certainly. Bill Clinton put his money where his mouth was, in a well-written letter, too, with regard to Vietnam service, and George Bush went AWOL. Hillary is off the hook, they wouldn't let her serve in any meaningful capacity during that conflict.

It's just weird that anyone would get so angry, especially since VT DIGGER has been pretty kind to Sanders in their coverage. They're not going to lie about anything, but they're not going for the "gotcha" either. Now, the DM, sure, they'd play gotcha all day--but they always have good pictures and a few facts swirled into their innuendo, but we KNOW that about them so we're smart to be en garde. They're very tabloid-y in that regard.

This isn't anything for anyone to get excited about....now, if they found out he was dealing weed and coke back then, that might make the conversation more interesting! I haven't seen a thing pointing in that direction, though, so I suspect people hoping for something on those lines might be disappointed. From what I heard, he was doing basic handyman stuff and trying to be a writer or something--sometimes the truth is boring. We'll see, though. He'll have to get more traction before anyone spends a fortune oppo-ing him in a big way.

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
23. He is an unknown in many ways, I hope he doesn't expect that he can run a campaign on a national
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jul 2015

level and not have people delve into his past. No matter how distasteful it is, people want to KNOW the person they are voting for.

I think it's weird that he was 40 years old before he had steady employment (as mayor), I don't actually know anyone (except my BIL) who was able to do that and survive.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. There's a posted article similar to this, but more "glowing", in the BS Group:
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jul 2015
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/128023012

Of course it has made it's way to the "Trending Now" list, as they all do.

awake

(3,226 posts)
26. "Hillary Clinton (Group): About This Group"
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:44 PM
Jul 2015

"Statement of Purpose

Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."

I believe that this group is for discussions of HRC and not any other candidate, because such discussions will lead to distraction from the stated purpose of this group. Is it possible that this thread could be move to another area on this site.

William769

(55,148 posts)
27. Heres a little hint for you.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jul 2015

The Statement of Purpose is a guideline that the Hosts use and this Statement of Purpose was written before the Primary season started.

The Hosts ultimately decide what is permissible and what is not (this is our Group to run as we see fit).

If you have a problem with way the Hosts are running this Group just remember, no one is forcing you to come in here and read. If you don't like what's being posted then I would suggest not coming to the Group to see what we are talking about. It's really that simple.

William769
One of your friendly Hillary Clinton Group Hosts.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
31. Hell no, they can't!
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jul 2015

I think more posters have become aware of the relentless, juvenile alert-trolling and are disgusted by it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
58. We expect no less from you, Siegfried Hitlery!
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jul 2015


BTW, these two sweet guys are still raising big cats. They insist the mauling by Mantecore was not an attack, but a defensive act as Roy was having a seizure from the flashing lights. It's a form of epilepsy, for those not in the know, and rapid light changes trigger it.

Which is exactly what happened at their show, too many flashing lights. And cats carry each other by the throat, the way that their mothers move them. Roy had a very poor prognosis and had to have a lot of terrible surgery but exceeded all expectations and is doing well, only slightly handicapped. There are a lot of good pictures of the pair at the Daily Mail.

to them and you! Thanks for all you do for HRC. Hitlery!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
61. From the article I found, Roy suffers from Photosensitive Epilepsy:
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jul 2015
What Causes Seizures in People With Photosensitive Epilepsy?

Seizure triggers vary from person to person. But some common triggers are:

* Flashing light
* Bright, contrasting patterns such as white bars against a black background
* Flashing white light followed by darkness
* Stimulating images that take up your complete field of vision, such as being very close to a TV screen
* Certain colors, such as red and blue

Some specific examples of situations or events that can trigger seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy are:

* Nightclub and theater lights, including strobe lights
* TV screens and computer monitors
* Flashing lights on police cars, fire trucks, ambulances, and safety alarms
* Visual effects in movies, TV shows, and video games
* Malfunctioning fluorescent lights and moving escalators
* Light viewed through a fast-moving ceiling fan
* Sunlight viewed through slanted blinds or stair railings
* Sun shining through tree leaves or reflecting off water
* Bold, striped wallpaper and fabric
* Cameras with multiple flashes or many cameras flashing at the same time
* Fireworks


http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/guide/photosensitive-epilepsy-symptoms-causes-treatment

Which is what it was said was happening that night, a lot of flashes from people taking pictures with their cameras. Roy having a seizure would indicate to the cat that he was being attacked. All along he and Seigfried insisted it was a defensive act precipitated by too many camera lights flashing too close to the stage.

Some people wanted the cat put ot sleep, but they refused and took it home and cared for it until it passed years later at the age of 17 years old, which is a long time for a tiger.

The only thing left out of the early stories was that Roy had epilepsy of that type. It is also triggered by fatigue, making the brain less able to process. This was in the latest article about the cat passing.

I've known people with it who requested people to not post flashing or strobe like effect gifs or videos on their pages, but some trollish personalities would do it on purpose. I'm sensitive to it myself and skip by fast gifs. The website has an explanation for it.

Siegfried and Roy are still raising baby big cats. Their numbers are in decline world wide from habitat loss and trophy hunting. So some private individuals have taken on the task of keeping them safe. But not all, remember Tom DeLay and the canned hunts that conservatives enjoy?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
28. We the hosts will decide what we will be allowed here than you very much.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jul 2015

Your concern is noted.

sheshe2

(83,942 posts)
33. Have you,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

posted your concerns about the Bernie Group as well? Would love to see the link. TIA~

FYI,I am a new Host at the HRC Group, I have been a Host in the Obama Group for years, did you pose that question to the BOG as well?

Have a great evening.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
34. A new sheriff in town?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jul 2015

It's starting to look like "Gunfight at OK Corral" so we need all the gunfighters we can get!

Apparently, denying Hillary Clinton the nomination and the presidency is the be all and end all of a great deal of participation around here.

'Someone else' is the beneficiary, electable or not. Reason and rationality have left the building.

Hillary needs to get out her hammer and nails ($), and finish off the irrational exuberance.

This is not 2008.


sheshe2

(83,942 posts)
45. I will still keep up with the BOG as well!
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jul 2015

It is a great group of hosts here. We sure will be busy.

awake

(3,226 posts)
35. No, It was my understanding that this was a group to talk about HRC
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jul 2015

I do not feel it is in the interest of electing HRC to get into the Personal life of another candidate, I would rather see the focus on the issues and in my mind the personal life is not a issue. For the life of me bringing up anyone's marriage is not a area that helps HRC no one I know wants Hillary's marriage an issue (other than RePucks).

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
37. Even Hillary supporters...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jul 2015

are held to that "higher standard"?

We don't get to play like everyone else?

awake

(3,226 posts)
39. Sure, I just feel this line of questioning will lead down a road which could backfire on HRC
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jul 2015

I would not be surprised if this issue was started to "allow" talk of Hillary's marriage to become fair game, I feel that peoples privet life should stay that way. If people want to talk about others "past" in this group then I guess the host here have the final say not me, I am just suggesting that in my mind there is nothing to help Hillary in Bernie's past marriage. Some of Hillary's opponents would love to see her slid into the mud of past marital issues, lets just not help them go there.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
40. Well I and the other hosts of this room say it is ok.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jul 2015

We will discuss Sanders as much as we feel the need.

Thank you but this isxue is settled.

awake

(3,226 posts)
42. It has already been made clear that the hosts of this group approve of this talk
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jul 2015

I am no longer asking it to be moved, I am suggesting that this issue may be a Trojan Horse meant to start talk about Hillary's marriage. I for one feel that the "high road" is the better tactic in the long run, I am aware that not all share that view.

awake

(3,226 posts)
46. Two wrong do not make a right
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jul 2015

But two Wrights can make a Airplane

Alright it seem to me some DUers do like tearing other Democratic's down. I prefer to talk about Issues that relate to the problems which actually have an effect on Americans instead of any candidate's marriage, I may be wrong but I feel that it is in the RePucks interest to have talk of marriage instead of the real Issues.

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. "some DUers do like tearing other Democratics down"...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jul 2015

...have you been to the Bernie Sanders Group lately? They not only tear down Clinton there but also her supporters.

awake

(3,226 posts)
48. Because others like the gutter means I should roll in the mud?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary is making a major speech on Monday stepping on Scot Walkers "Big Day"
now that is good news much more important than someones privet life.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
51. It is just an op in this room.and do you scold DUers who talk about the Clinton's private life?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jul 2015

awake

(3,226 posts)
52. It was not intent to "scold" anyone
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jul 2015

I just believe that our real concern is with the Repucks and I believe they may be behind this story trying to take us into the mud. I do not know the intention of source of this "story" it just seems like the story helps Repucks more than Hillary.

I do not see how this helps Hillary?

sheshe2

(83,942 posts)
55. See you are gone.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jul 2015

See ya, would not want to be ya.

FYI. You already rolled in the mud and came up dirty. TaTa~

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
57. Was this an example of passive-aggressive behavior?
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jul 2015

Someone drops in and complains about what we shouldn't do, how it will hurt us...while actually repeating the same nasty accusation over and over?

Beware the 5th Column.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
63. are you serious?
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jul 2015

The Clinton's marriage has been the subject du jour for years. Fair game indeed, lol

Historic NY

(37,454 posts)
54. This one says he went to a kibbutz...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jul 2015

Born in 1941 to Polish immigrants in Brooklyn, N.Y., Sanders graduated from James Madison High School in 1959 and from the University of Chicago in 1964 with a degree in political science. After a stint on an Israeli kibbutz, the future senator moved to Vermont, where he worked as a carpenter, filmmaker and director of the American People’s Historical Society.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/all-about-bernie/Content?oid=2428245

I think there are too many bio's out there crafted by others which don't seem to fit. He is going to need to correct the record at some point, because now its confusing even to people he had a relationship with.


OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
62. good MSNBC ( Up with Steve Kornaki) interview with author
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.msnbc.com/up/watch/details-revealed-on-sanders-private-life-482646083887

It is not mean or anything.

One thing Steve said at first that I hadn't thought about: If Hillary had an out-of-wedlock child.... you would sure hear about it.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
65. too true....
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

And heaven forbid if she had said you get cervical cancer from not having enough orgasms.....the press would have had a group orgasm over the thought of reporting about it....but that one has been kept quiet until now.

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