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pandr32

(11,588 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:43 PM Apr 2016

Bernie sets down terms of supporting Hillary to Chuck Todd, if he loses

After watching it earlier I broke away to get some other things done on this Spring Sunday, but couldn't shake my annoyance at Bernie's comments and tone. I decided to write down how I interpreted it, so here I sit down and write.

Some might think Bernie was signaling that he would support Hillary Clinton eventually. His comments about California sounded awfully similar to his ones about New York: "I think we will win there and win big." So, again he has moved the goal post.

He restated his usual talking points as answers to Todd's questions, but finally added, under prodding by Todd, his "conditions" to support her. He presumed to speak "for the American people"--for what they want and need (he knows...right?), but then there came his real answer.

His "conditions" were basically for her to completely adopt his campaign platform from his perspective, not hers, and then she could, by doing so, earn his support. This would allow him to claim he had won--by bending "the Secretary" to his will. He could say that though he lost the nomination he forced the Democratic Party to change, and he forced "the Secretary" to adopt his more important approaches to issues for the sake of "the American people" and "the future of this country."

I am presuming she doesn't have to perpetuate his smears and lies about her, though. He might let her off there, but she will have to submit to Bernie Sanders. He then, will quit the battle after whining...er...winning!



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Bernie sets down terms of supporting Hillary to Chuck Todd, if he loses (Original Post) pandr32 Apr 2016 OP
He makes me sick. So full of himself. It's all about him and livetohike Apr 2016 #1
i agree. nt DesertFlower Apr 2016 #21
You hit that one on the head still_one Apr 2016 #24
He's deluded if he thinks she really needs his blessing nini Apr 2016 #2
We already know he is "deluded", unfortunately. Cha Apr 2016 #26
Bernie has become delusional ... BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #3
His supporters are already displaying their arrogance puffy socks Apr 2016 #4
You are quite right--we Democrats are already progressive pandr32 Apr 2016 #9
If you lose, there are no terms - Game Over! liberal N proud Apr 2016 #5
Just want to say: I AM Her Sister Apr 2016 #6
Me too! pandr32 Apr 2016 #10
We all remember how Japan and Germany dictated the terms stopbush Apr 2016 #7
You mean the "unconditional" surrender? pandr32 Apr 2016 #11
His conditions are silly DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #8
You are right, but he is looking to save face pandr32 Apr 2016 #14
I wonder if BS has anticipated being primaried on his next senate bid? Could happen. eom fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #12
It may have to happen pandr32 Apr 2016 #16
Apparently, he needs to be beaten down all the way to California. Walk away Apr 2016 #13
Let's hope Tuesday will help knock some reality into his head pandr32 Apr 2016 #17
In the words of Rickey Bobby, if you aint' first, you're last. DawgHouse Apr 2016 #15
Ha-ha! True!http://www.democraticunderground.com/emoticons/spank.gif pandr32 Apr 2016 #18
Hmmm... delusional entitlement much? Squinch Apr 2016 #19
In the beginning I liked him... asuhornets Apr 2016 #20
It actually might be necessary pandr32 Apr 2016 #22
I agree 100% asuhornets Apr 2016 #23
The die-hards aren't Dems and would never support Hillary regardless of what Sanders says SharonClark Apr 2016 #32
Whadda mean "if", BS? that ship has sailed. Brilliant summary, pandr! Cha Apr 2016 #25
Mahalo Cha, and yes, Bernie is burnt toast! pandr32 Apr 2016 #34
At this rate he may or may not Blue Idaho Apr 2016 #27
Interesting pandr32 Apr 2016 #35
Adopt his campaign? Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #28
Agree. Has he even read the Democratric Party Platform from the last time? SharonClark Apr 2016 #31
Most Democrats know this pandr32 Apr 2016 #37
The hubris and false pride were something to see... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #29
He has! pandr32 Apr 2016 #38
In my opinion, he needs to earn back the Congressional Dems trust obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #30
I completely agree pandr32 Apr 2016 #39
I have never seen a more "shifty-eyed" performance by a politician on "MTP." yallerdawg Apr 2016 #33
His darting eyes belie him pandr32 Apr 2016 #40
Why should the winner adopt the loser's platform? murielm99 Apr 2016 #36
Agreed! Hillary will not wind up under his heel...ever. pandr32 Apr 2016 #41

nini

(16,672 posts)
2. He's deluded if he thinks she really needs his blessing
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

Yep.some of his lemmings won't vote anyway out of some childish stand for their form of purity.

However, there's enough normal people left to know it's important to get out there and vote especially with the Trump fiasco on the dark side. Add to that some republicans will cross over too because of Trump.

He is so full of himself. Honestly, every day he annoys me more and more.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
3. Bernie has become delusional ...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary's policies are not really all the different from his, except for being more realistic.

Why does he - with FEWER votes, FEWER delegates, LESS support generally, and with a track record of FEWER actual accomplishments during his much longer political life - think that Hillary should do anything HE says?

With every word he utters, he loses credibility as a serious candidate.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
4. His supporters are already displaying their arrogance
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

with a Sanders Constituency Will Shape U.S. Politics for the Next Decade post.


I hate to inform them but Bernie Sanders isnt the only one fighting for universal healthcare, better wages, getting executive pay in check, lowering college tuition costs etc.


The fact they believe they are the start of a 'revolution' which started years ago by the very people they are calling "stupid" "uninformed" and "corrupt" is noit only appalling but also ungrateful and frankly, insulting. It's a slap in the face of the generations of Progressives before them.


For example, here's Jim Webb who addressed the country in 2007 after Bush's SOTU speech who raised eyebrows over the vast difference between executive income compared with the average employees income, a stunning 400 X more at the time.

"When one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.

Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them.

In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace.

....


And under the leadership of the new Democratic Congress, we are on our way to doing so. The House just passed a minimum wage increase, the first in ten years, and the Senate will soon follow. We've introduced a broad legislative package designed to regain the trust of the American people. We've established a tone of cooperation and consensus that extends beyond party lines. We're working to get the right things done, for the right people and for the right reasons. "



pandr32

(11,588 posts)
9. You are quite right--we Democrats are already progressive
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

As you make clear, Bernie Sanders is not the first to notice a declining Middle Class, rising top executive pay, rising tuition costs, a need for universal healthcare, better wages, etc.
Where Bernie is good and useful is by repeatedly discussing these issues in short form, as he does, helping indies and young people understand progressive goals. His solutions, however, don't wash. Still, if he could temper his criticisms of others who ARE NOT part of the problem, his message would be helpful. Because of his self-serving rhetoric, due to his campaign, Democrats are now finding themselves demonized by someone within the party banner, and that is a low blow--not constructive.
I appreciate your good points.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
14. You are right, but he is looking to save face
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016

He really, really has bought into the idea that he would lead a revolution. Now he has all these independents and college kids behind him, he intends to use their support to force a situation in his favor. He has also shown himself to be extremely competitive and needs to feel victorious--he will continue to fight.

I am afraid this man will have to either be abandoned by his minions, or appeased in some way (not going to happen). It is not reasonable for him to set conditions, but he has. He obviously has an overbearing, controlling streak that gets the better of any sense of propriety he may have.

I really, really hope he can be reasoned with and give up the divisiveness and nastiness. He should behave as a leader and help his supporters transition to back Hillary Clinton as the race winds down to its obvious conclusion.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
16. It may have to happen
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

...if he makes trouble for Democrats and works against Hillary Clinton and the agenda she sets.
Let's hope he retires. It may be the best thing. He will be 77 years old at that time.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
13. Apparently, he needs to be beaten down all the way to California.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

Does he really think he can hold his flock together that long? What a shame he turned out to be such a selfish egomaniac.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
17. Let's hope Tuesday will help knock some reality into his head
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

He keeps moving the goalpost, and he refuses to consider super-delegates in his new calculations--that California will turn the tide for him. Bizarre, delusional thinking. The problem is he is lying to "his flock" to continue to believe he still has a chance if they send money--fraud.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
15. In the words of Rickey Bobby, if you aint' first, you're last.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

He doesn't get to dictate how President Clinton runs her office, although honestly, it is not a surprise that a man would say this. JMHO

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
20. In the beginning I liked him...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

no more. When she wins she should ignore him completely. As if he doesn't exist.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
22. It actually might be necessary
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

He has become more problematic then he could be helpful. I am sure Hillary will graciously commend him at the nomination for doing well, but beyond that...nothing. His supporters may already be falling away, and those that remain will be the die-hards, the ones who couldn't care less about unifying the Party.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
32. The die-hards aren't Dems and would never support Hillary regardless of what Sanders says
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016

Good thing they are a small percentage of his support.

Cha

(297,285 posts)
25. Whadda mean "if", BS? that ship has sailed. Brilliant summary, pandr!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

And, Hillary's not being bent to anyone's "will". she's worked too long and too hard to submit to anyone... especially burnie ******* sanders who has no accomplishments. big rallies? meh.. we saw how that worked out in New York.

She's more Progressive because she gets it done..



BlueCaliDem~

Mahalo mucho, pandr~ I like your last sentence, too.. nice touch..

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
27. At this rate he may or may not
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

Be offered a speaking slot during the televised portion of the Democratic Convention. Now, let's talk about the terms of that happening.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
35. Interesting
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

He would have to behave. Even still he could wind up acting like a kidnap victim forced to read a script to make the kidnapper look justified, so I don't know...hmmmmm
The problem is that Bernie Sanders has no loyalty to the Democrat Party--he already has proven that over and over during this campaign. This is a dilemma, for sure.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
28. Adopt his campaign?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

Hasn't she been pretty much discussing some of the same issues over the years as he has? Or have I been following a different Hillary Clinton than him?

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
37. Most Democrats know this
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

...but too many newbies are hearing that Bernie Sanders is the only honest and genuine candidate, that he has been first and steady on ALL important progressive issues, and that Hillary Clinton is a changeling that cannot be believed or trusted--she is changing her positions continually in order to steal votes from Bernie Sanders.
I have had this argued to my face as a Clinton delegate in WA State.

The thing is, too, that if one poses a question about Hillary's position on something into the search bar, a whole lot of debunked garbage shows up (Hillary Clinton has received more negative press coverage than any other candidate). I have gotten tired of telling people to check it out and then they send all kinds of nasty links to me showing that Hillary Clinton is wrong, bad, evil, lying, cheating, calculating, likely to be indicted, and on and on. Their answer to positive links I send back? Propaganda funded by Wall Street and/or the establishment.

It is a mine field out there, and Sanders has been very busy taking full advantage.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
30. In my opinion, he needs to earn back the Congressional Dems trust
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

After everything he has said and done, and his campaign and surrogates have said and done, about the Democratic Party. Including calling them whores, suing them, saying there are election riggers.

What is he going to do in the Senate, caucus with the GOP?

No.

Will GOP pols campaign for him and donate money to him, like both Clintons have?

No.

Will the GOP give him committee seats and chairs?

No.

So, as far as I'm concerned, HE is the one who has to make amends.

The tone deafness is just shocking to me.

*would love to make this an OP, but am too tired to be attacked today!

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
39. I completely agree
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

I honestly think that he has bought into the notion that he can and will win one way or another.. Therefore he hasn't really thought this through.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
33. I have never seen a more "shifty-eyed" performance by a politician on "MTP."
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

His eyes were darting around like a mafia lawyer. I couldn't believe a word he said, and then - plucked out of thin air - that poor people have chosen not to turn out to vote?

Time to become the footnote you are, Senator Sanders (I-VT)* while you still have the status to be a footnote.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
40. His darting eyes belie him
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

It is often an indication of dishonesty, or total insecurity, but then Sanders loves getting in front of thousands of people and lecturing, so no apparent insecurity there.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
36. Why should the winner adopt the loser's platform?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

How silly.

As far as his pouty supporters telling us we have to be nice to them, uh, no. Most of you were never going to vote for any Democrat anyway. There are not as many of you as you think. We will not be bullied.

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