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Cha

(297,323 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:09 AM Apr 2016

Reasons Why Sanders is Not Winning the Nomination..




Sanders says he has lost primaries to Clinton because ‘poor people don’t vote’

rivers http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141426518

Just his latest lame excuse. It's the Southern States, They're not caucus states, not enough people know about him.. even though he has Mega Million $$$$$$ rallies with thousands of people that do NOT translate into votes.. whose fault is that? Anymore excuses to whine about? How about that interview with the NYDN?! I think we got to know him all too well and how much he doesn't know.

Hillary's Group~Mahalo


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Reasons Why Sanders is Not Winning the Nomination.. (Original Post) Cha Apr 2016 OP
Yep! Iliyah Apr 2016 #1
k and r oasis Apr 2016 #2
Kicked!!!!! NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #3
Thank you, Nance.. I just edited and added some of the excuses they've come up Cha Apr 2016 #6
Truth! eom UtahLib Apr 2016 #4
im poor... I voted MFM008 Apr 2016 #5
Yup. BS is full of "reasons", among other things. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #7
'Fraid so. Cha Apr 2016 #8
Because real Ds effing loathe effing Bernie Sanders? stopbush Apr 2016 #9
lol.. the way BS, his surrogates, and his fans denigrate Hillary supporters?! Cha Apr 2016 #30
K&R Cha all american girl Apr 2016 #10
That's right American Girl.. BS has already labeled Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Campaign, Cha Apr 2016 #12
It's not over! ncovington89 Apr 2016 #11
Talk about CT KewlKat Apr 2016 #13
Then I got news for you! BS is So OVER. He's Done, Finished, Through. Gone, History, Cha Apr 2016 #14
Or Hillary could be abducted by aliens! Princess Turandot Apr 2016 #15
LOL.. that's my line. Maybe Cha Apr 2016 #18
Pixie dust will ensure BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #23
Everyone needs a good one of these... Walk away Apr 2016 #26
lol Cha Apr 2016 #32
He is not pulling through with the popular vote Legends303 Apr 2016 #35
He's FAR from being more electable jmowreader Apr 2016 #54
His rationalizations are getting more and more pathetic. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #16
Oh yeah, that's what it is.. a pie chart.. lol.. a big ol orange ball of pie chart! Cha Apr 2016 #17
K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #19
Good Mornin' stonecutter! From the link.. Cha Apr 2016 #20
older voters don't by is rhetoric....and the fact he has never led anything and only been the guy beachbum bob Apr 2016 #21
"sanders has only helped sanders".. how true, beachbum bob.. It's all about him. We see Cha Apr 2016 #34
Spot on! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #22
Yes, The Voters Love Hillary, Surya~ He has to start coming to terms with that.. Cha Apr 2016 #24
Why would Sanders say the votes of these beautiful women don't count! Walk away Apr 2016 #27
Aren't women more likely to be in the 'poor' demographic? fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #37
NO, he doesn't, flea.. he's full of excuses and that's not all. I'm waiting for him to actually Cha Apr 2016 #38
K & R, again just kick in the teeth of poor people, no, poor people Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #25
BS doesn't even know what he's whining about.. We "Poor People" Vote for Hillary! Cha Apr 2016 #44
Maybe he can convince the 66% of non voters in 2014 to vote for Hillary Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #45
K&R! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #28
After carefully studying that pie chart I have to say that Her Sister Apr 2016 #29
Oh that's absolutely BRILLIANT! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #31
Cha, love your graphic. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #33
Great graphic! SharonClark Apr 2016 #36
Complain, Whine, Blame - Repeat otohara Apr 2016 #39
They're all inveterate whiners over their @camp BS. Wonder if they can hear themselves Cha Apr 2016 #40
Sanders is losing pandr32 Apr 2016 #41
It's all on sanders.. he needs to look in the mirror and take personal responsibility Cha Apr 2016 #42
He has always been this way pandr32 Apr 2016 #43
He's losing because-- lanlady Apr 2016 #46
So glad, lanlady! Cha Apr 2016 #50
"A professional protestor". Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #52
I know, huh? Cha Apr 2016 #55
Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet Gothmog Apr 2016 #47
Bernie's failed Revolution Gothmog Apr 2016 #48
I think he sums it up in 3 simple terms. Sparkly Apr 2016 #49
^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #58
It's the Pope's fault because he saw through Bernies naked political gambit redstateblues Apr 2016 #51
"Poor people don't vote.." NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #53
Yes indeed. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #56
Until he changes his reasoning from "people" don’t... fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #57
Nice chart explains things perfectly Sancho Apr 2016 #59
Bernie Sanders just accidentally explained why his political revolution has failed Gothmog Apr 2016 #60

Cha

(297,323 posts)
6. Thank you, Nance.. I just edited and added some of the excuses they've come up
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:28 AM
Apr 2016

with on why he's losing to Hillary.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
8. 'Fraid so.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:38 AM
Apr 2016

Can you even believe this BS?

Who in the world tries to be so divisive like this in a Dem primary?!!

Cha

(297,323 posts)
30. lol.. the way BS, his surrogates, and his fans denigrate Hillary supporters?!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

Now why would we ever loathe effing BS?!

stop.. thank you!

Cha

(297,323 posts)
12. That's right American Girl.. BS has already labeled Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Campaign,
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:59 AM
Apr 2016

and all the member of Congress, who didn't endorse him, as #SoEstablishment.. So. who's left to whine about?!

I think he's covered all the bases of those who prefer the best candidate, Hillary Clinton~

Mahalo~

ncovington89

(17 posts)
11. It's not over!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:52 AM
Apr 2016

He may pull through with the popular vote, and if not he might be chosen by the Superdelegates because he is more electable. Last but not least, there are those who work within the FBI who say an indictment is ahead or at least possible. Sanders is not through.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
13. Talk about CT
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:05 AM
Apr 2016

This is the Hillary group.....perhaps you found your way in the wrong group? I doubt your a BSS as you've come awfully late to the game......only 6 posts after months of campaigning?

Cha

(297,323 posts)
14. Then I got news for you! BS is So OVER. He's Done, Finished, Through. Gone, History,
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:07 AM
Apr 2016

Past, Completed.. Kaput.

He doesn't deserve to win.. he doesn't have what it takes to be the President.. I'll be so glad when it's official.

 

Legends303

(481 posts)
35. He is not pulling through with the popular vote
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

He has a current deficit of 2.4 million votes in the popular vote and his deficit only increased with his NY lost. I know Sanders supporters like to deny reality but don't make up your own facts.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
54. He's FAR from being more electable
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

The last Democratic candidate to run on a platform calling for raising taxes lost 49 states - and Walter Mondale wasn't planning on nationalizing a sixth of the economy like Sanders is.

If Bernie Sanders is our standardbearer we could lose his home state. We WILL lose the other 49.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
17. Oh yeah, that's what it is.. a pie chart.. lol.. a big ol orange ball of pie chart!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:37 AM
Apr 2016
Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted. (He has lost by a wider 21 percentage-point margin among voters with incomes above $100,000, and by 9 points among middle income voters.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141426518

Surya~Mahalo~

Cha

(297,323 posts)
20. Good Mornin' stonecutter! From the link..
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:37 AM
Apr 2016
Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted. (He has lost by a wider 21 percentage-point margin among voters with incomes above $100,000, and by 9 points among middle income voters.)

Mahalo~
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
21. older voters don't by is rhetoric....and the fact he has never led anything and only been the guy
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:57 AM
Apr 2016

on the side lines railing against what is wrong....sanders has only helped sanders

Cha

(297,323 posts)
34. "sanders has only helped sanders".. how true, beachbum bob.. It's all about him. We see
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

that now.. or he wouldn't be coming out with all these lies.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
22. Spot on!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:04 AM
Apr 2016

That's really all it takes - the votes. And Sanders has at least 2.5 million fewer votes than Hillary.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
24. Yes, The Voters Love Hillary, Surya~ He has to start coming to terms with that..
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:44 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton speaks with attendees during a town hall event at Cumberland United Methodist Church in Florence, S.C.

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/01/468185698/understanding-the-clintons-popularity-with-black-voters

And, stop with the useless excuses he and his team of crack BSrs come up with.. besides that he's either lying or doesn't know what he's talking about, A-gain.

From the link...

Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted. (He has lost by a wider 21 percentage-point margin among voters with incomes above $100,000, and by 9 points among middle income voters.)

Mahalo, Blue~Thank you!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
27. Why would Sanders say the votes of these beautiful women don't count!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:31 AM
Apr 2016

Little wonder is revolution is over.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
37. Aren't women more likely to be in the 'poor' demographic?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

BS doesn't think things through before his lips flap and fingers point does he.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
38. NO, he doesn't, flea.. he's full of excuses and that's not all. I'm waiting for him to actually
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

say something that's true.

Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted. (He has lost by a wider 21 percentage-point margin among voters with incomes above $100,000, and by 9 points among middle income voters.)

I just read he said on one of the Sunday shows..

"Democratic Party hasn't been fair to me"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107114117

I cannot wait until that ******* whining hypocrite gets out and goes away.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
25. K & R, again just kick in the teeth of poor people, no, poor people
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:22 AM
Apr 2016

Are not in the top 6% of wage earners as Sanders, he does not need to kick the largest group in the US.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
44. BS doesn't even know what he's whining about.. We "Poor People" Vote for Hillary!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016
Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted. (He has lost by a wider 21 percentage-point margin among voters with incomes above $100,000, and by 9 points among middle income voters.)

Mahalo, Thinking~

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
45. Maybe he can convince the 66% of non voters in 2014 to vote for Hillary
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

In the GE. I personally feel it is terrible more voters do not vote, it foes not cost us to vote. The ones who cry "I don't have anyone exciting to vote for" and they don't run on the issues I like, those same people are not turning out to vote for Sanders and the issues he has proposed.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
29. After carefully studying that pie chart I have to say that
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

I agree conclusively! lol!!

Thanks for that!

Cha

(297,323 posts)
40. They're all inveterate whiners over their @camp BS. Wonder if they can hear themselves
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

whine?

Mahalo, otohara~

Cha

(297,323 posts)
42. It's all on sanders.. he needs to look in the mirror and take personal responsibility
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

and stop trying to put the blame on everyone under the Sun but himself.

And, stop the gd whining.. it's embarrassing.

Aloha, pandr~

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
46. He's losing because--
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

--voters have figured out that he's a professional protester who'd make an ineffective president. It really is that simple!

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
47. Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

It is my understanding that the reason why Sanders is proposing a number of programs that have no chance of passing is that his revolution will force the GOP in congress to be reasonable. The trouble is that there are no signs of this revolution. revolution https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/

Bernie Sanders recorded a resounding victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday. He crushed his rival, Hillary Clinton, with no less than 60 percent of the vote. If Sanders hopes not only to win the election but to achieve his ambitious progressive agenda, though, that might not be enough.

To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."

In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.

To be sure, the general election is still seven months away. Ordinary Americans might be paying little attention to the campaign at this point, and if Sanders wins the nomination, he'll have the help of the Democratic Party apparatus in registering new voters. The political revolution hasn't started, though, at least not yet.

Without this revolution, I am not sure how Sanders proposes to advance his unrealistic agenda.

I live in the real world and I simply do not believe that Sanders' agenda is realistic and the lack of any evidence of a Sanders revolution reinforces my opinion

Please vote for the candidate of your choice for any reason that you deem appropriate. Others are free to vote for the candidate of their choice based on the facts as they see them

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
48. Bernie's failed Revolution
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

The Sanders revolution has been a bust http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-new-york-primary-213829


And yet, the “revolution” that Sanders called for didn’t show up. Clinton’s 16-point New York win is simply the exclamation point. First, electorally, Sanders hasn’t been able to win any states on Clinton’s natural turf, while she picked off states like blue-collar Ohio and quintessentially liberal Massachusetts. Eleven of his 16 state wins were in low-turnout caucus states, while she has dominated well-populated primary states. He struggled to win the votes of older voters and whiffed with Southern African-Americans.
Story Continued Below

But on a more important level, Sanders has also failed to substantially change the Democratic Party at its core: its acceptance of big-dollar fundraising and incremental policy advancement. That was a tough task for Sanders, especially considering he had steered clear of the party for most of his political career until his presidential quest (prompting Hillary to remark at one point, “I’m not even sure he is a Democrat”). For all his success at the polls, Sanders’ ideologically pure campaign foundered on the predictable shoals of policy specifics and political feasibility, obstacles that a progressive populist movement will need to overcome to truly succeed.....

Another Sanders misstep was making his campaign look like a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party apparatus—a great strategy for winning left-leaning independents but not so much for the larger pool of registered Democrats.

In January, he downplayed Clinton endorsements from Planned Parenthood Action Fund, NARAL Pro-Choice America and the Human Rights Campaign as coming from “the establishment.” In a fundraiser email in support of a candidate running in a Nevada House primary, he took a gratuitous swipe at EMILY’s List, a major funder of female Democrats. And instead of working with the Democratic National Committee to raise money for a wider range of congressional candidates, the Sanders campaign attacked Hillary Clinton for doing so at a big-dollar fundraiser hosted by George Clooney.

The cost was a smooth-talking smackdown from Clooney on Sunday on NBC’s Meet The Press: “we need to take the Senate back, because we need … that fifth vote on the Supreme Court [to] overturn Citizens United and get this obscene, ridiculous amount of money out so I never have to do a fundraiser again.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-new-york-primary-213829#ixzz46asWEZ2w
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Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
49. I think he sums it up in 3 simple terms.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Black people just aren't informed.
Poor people just don't vote.
And people south of DC just don't matter.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
53. "Poor people don't vote.."
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

for Bernie.

Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted. (He has lost by a wider 21 percentage-point margin among voters with incomes above $100,000, and by 9 points among middle income voters.)


Love the graph! Sanders is running out of excuses; the only reason he hasn't used is the only valid one: "not enough votes."

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
57. Until he changes his reasoning from "people" don’t...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:34 AM
Apr 2016

To "I" don't, he's never going to truly understand his revolution is fighting windmills.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
60. Bernie Sanders just accidentally explained why his political revolution has failed
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders just admitted that his so-called revolution is a failure. Sanders was unable to motivate and get poor people to vote which doomed his so-called revolution http://www.vox.com/2016/4/25/11497822/sanders-political-revolution-vote

The point of the "political revolution" was that Sanders would change who was turning out to vote

The problem with Sanders saying he's losing because "poor people don't vote," though, is that this wasn't a sad truth that he and his campaign discovered over the last several weeks. It — or rather, the possibility of fixing it — was at the core of his entire theory of winning.

Sanders isn't just running on his policy agenda. He's running on the idea of a "political revolution" that will allow him to accomplish that agenda. The theory of the "political revolution" is that Americans are so eager for free college and Medicare for all that they will not only sweep Bernie Sanders to the White House if he's nominated, but will elect more, and more progressive, Democrats down-ballot will then vote to pass Sanders's agenda through Congress.

Among people who typically vote, these policies aren't that popular. The "political revolution" is only plausible if it's about changing the composition of the electorate: bringing new people to the polls who don't normally vote, even in presidential elections.

But on those grounds, the "political revolution" theory is quite plausible. As Vox's Dylan Matthews pointed out earlier this month, 30 percent of eligible voters aren't registered to vote, or aren't accurately listed in the voter databases that campaigns use. Those voters are basically ignored by candidates. And, just like the nonvoting population as a whole, they're more likely to be poor than voters are — and more likely to support liberal policies on government spending.

A candidate who can figure out how to reach out to that 30 percent of voters could actually make a political revolution happen — or, at least, bring the median American voter to the left.

Bernie Sanders isn't the candidate who can make the "political revolution" happen

It's hard to mobilize that 30 percent of could-be voters, though. And it's pretty clear, at this point, that Sanders hasn't pulled it off.

Sanders hasn't been pulling in remarkable numbers of first-time primary voters. His base looks a lot like the existing progressive wing of the Democratic Party — the people who voted for Howard Dean over John Kerry and Bill Bradley over Al Gore.

The premise of Sanders' so-called revolution is that he would be able to motivate millions and millions of new voters which Sanders has failed to do.
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