Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumAnother piece on Vatican-gate
This one written by a Congregational minister:
http://religiondispatches.org/bernies-roman-holiday/
Im serious. Ten minutes is not long to speak on a complex subject, and Sanders wasted almost a quarter of his speech thanking his hosts, name-checking popes, and giving an extensive quote from Centesimus Annus that he frankly would have been better off summarizing. The rest of it is Sanders usual stump speech, barely adapted to rather obviously bait Pope Francis into giving his blessing. (The campaign hoped for a meeting between the senator and the pontiff, a prospect that was summarily dismissed by the Vatican.) Sanders rattles off more or less the same laundry list of complaints hes used at every rally in the past year, with only the thinnest nods at setting his perspective in a deeper moral or intellectual context. Again, ten minutes does not allow very much room for a deep dive, which is exactly why the Sanders campaign should have taken the hint and decided there was a schedule conflict that prevented him from speaking after all.
The whole Bernie-goes-to-Rome thing has been a shambles, to be honest. The campaign got Sanders a back-door invite which surprised and irritated the academy president, not to mention stepping on the roll-out of Amoris Laetitia, the Popes new teaching on the family. Then they did it again, taking a private jet to Rome to speak on the idolatry of money in the middle of a make-it-or-break-it primary in New York, and arriving in Rome on a day when the Vatican would much rather be talking about Francis meeting with Patriarch Bartholomew in Lesbos about the European refugee crisis.
As if that werent bad enough, Sanders showed up with his family in tow, undercutting the high-minded moral message he was supposed to be delivering, and Oh, sweet Jesus, did they really put his logo on a picture of the Pope?! All this in service of a message that wont impress or inspire anybody who wasnt going to vote for Sanders to begin with.
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liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)They really put his logo on a picture of the Pope
and they spent campaign finances to visit Rome.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)I hope this backfires on him.
the speech really amounted to was preaching to the choir.
LisaM
(27,830 posts)I would have thought that was a joke but apparently not. WTF?
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)LisaM
(27,830 posts)that had actually endorsed Hillary? Exactly the same tactic. I dislike him more every day.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)just repellant. Worse than pathetic. Sour. Distasteful.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Zeke Miller
✔ ??@ZekeJMiller
Bernie walking a fine line on sort of claiming the endorsement of the Pope https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076.89553.124955570892789/1029290747125929/?type=3&theater
5:03 AM - 15 Apr 2016
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AlGiordano ??@AlGiordano
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, this is one inept campaign! https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/720991032523894784
meta ??@metaquest
@AlGiordano Putting his logo on an image of the Pope? Seriously, what is wrong with this guy?
5:16 AM - 15 Apr 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/15/president-obama-on-the-benefits-of-precision-medicine/#comments
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Yes, yes they did.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)or impressed!!! Wonder what he'd think if he saw the video of BS snubbing the Academy's President!
Cha
(297,655 posts)The whole Bernie-goes-to-Rome thing has been a shambles, to be honest. The campaign got Sanders a back-door invite which surprised and irritated the academy president, not to mention stepping on the roll-out of Amoris Laetitia, the Popes new teaching on the family. Then they did it again, taking a private jet to Rome to speak on the idolatry of money in the middle of a make-it-or-break-it primary in New York, and arriving in Rome on a day when the Vatican would much rather be talking about Francis meeting with Patriarch Bartholomew in Lesbos about the European refugee crisis
http://religiondispatches.org/bernies-roman-holiday/
I'm glad the truth got out.. I was concerned it wouldn't.. with all the BS flying around.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And as an added bonus ... this one made me literally laugh out loud.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"his meeting with the pope!" They want a contested election.
Viewership and advertising dollars!
pandr32
(11,611 posts)The whole stunt was a stunner. How anyone here in the US missed the fact that Bernie is a poser is beyond me. This makes me laugh: "ten minutes does not allow much room for a deep dive"--because he only ever splashes around in the shallow end. His rhetoric has no substance--no meat on the plate--just a picture!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)can't stand Bernie. The clusterfuck that was the Vatican trip shows in stark detail how inept his campaign is. Not to mention how tone-deaf he is. I imagine Francis isn't happy about the photos with Bernie's logo; images of Kim Davis dancing in his head.
Fla Dem
(23,741 posts)treated it like the 2nd coming of Christ. They are so blinded by the Bernie Revolution.
MBS
(9,688 posts)And, yes, the Vatican (especially the pope) were totally wise to what was going on.
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)The 'hail mary' pass collided with Shepard One returning from Greece, when Francis spoke with/took questions from reporters on the plane. It's really the only time that he holds a live, if informal, press conference where he takes questions and his comments are recorded/videoed. He does it as he returns to Rome after nearly every international trip. Normally, a spokesman would have simply commented on the faux-meeting, a reply subject to endless parsing. Instead, they got the Pope himself on camera describing what had actually happened. Oops.
Did the family entourage all return when BS did? If so, did he really take them all on two ten hour plus flights in less than 48 hours, one in the middle of the night, in hopes of a family photo op with the Pope? What other reason could there be?
Thanks for posting, MBS!
MBS
(9,688 posts)Tanuki
(14,920 posts)kind-hearted as he is known to be, would be manipulated into changing his mind and agree to a real audience, with photos and everything, so as not to disappoint the kids.