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Related: About this forumIt seems Bernie's big adventure was worse than first thought
It seems that the Pope was confronted by reporters about Bernie Sanders while the Pope was trying to set the media stage with the Syrian refugee crisis. The purpose for the Pope's trip out of the country was to rescue some refugees and bring them back with him. He had hoped to stir interest in the media about his trip, his concerns about the refugees--bringing international attention to the critical ongoing problem. Instead, Bernie Sanders had his own international agenda.
Yes. our grandstanding challenger for the Democratic nominee picked this important time to finagle an invite to a conference where he wanted to speak--getting penciled into a coffee break spot. He had been touting his impending "meeting with the Pope" and "invitation from the Vatican" falsely for a week--stirring media interest from here--deliberately, too (the point! Obviously!)
It is all about Bernie.
Bernie then used campaign cash to fly himself, his extended family, his SS agents, staff, and reporters on a hu-uuuuuge chartered jet burning tens of thousands of gallons of fuel on a turn-around trip to Italy to do so.
While there he ambushed the Pope and got a handshake--not a meeting, and spoiled the Pope's careful plans.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/pope-francis-wanted-todays-news-cycle-to-be-about-syrian-refugees-not-bernie-sanders/24504/
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)money no object
OhZone
(3,212 posts)how certain politicians in our past, interfered with Peace Talks in the Mid east, interfered with hostage releases, and, oh, the one that scuttled the Vietnam agreement in 1968.
Oh well.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Now I can't unsee this ever.
When have we ever heard any Pope, let alone this one, talking in such blunt terms when discussing a member of an allied foreign government? It points to just how pissed Pope Francis was that not only did Sanders dishonestly drag him into a presidential election, Sanders also purposely sabotaged a news narrative that had been aimed at highlighting the plight of Syrian refugees. Instead that story got muted today, and fewer governments may end up being pressured to take in refugees. Its possible Sanders just cost some refugees their lives.
pandr32
(11,601 posts)The brazen self-serving agenda of Sanders makes him completely blind. How could he even think he is ready for the international stage? To foil the Pope's mission--what an important "meeting!" Way to go Bernie.
Cha
(297,503 posts)on the campaign's dime, flying high on a chartered jet, to make a huuuuuuuge splash in Rome @ the Vatican "meeting the Pope".. being "invited by the Pope" they didn't seriously pull that bullshit, did they?)..
And, everything was going along until the reporters asked the Pope his version of events.
Of course, BS sucked all the air out of the room and the plane.. Pope Francis was on an Important humanitarian mission and instead of the plight of the Syrian Refugees all the reporters talked about was BS' "secret meeting with the Pope" that turned out to be forced handshake.
I hear BS likes the Pope so much.. do you think his eminence approves of BS' scheming maneuvers?
Mahalo, pandr~
pandr32
(11,601 posts)Yes--perfectly put, Cha! The Pope was on a humanitarian mission and Sanders on a self-serving one. The old guy from Vermont is not ready to be a leader...ever.
MBS
(9,688 posts)I'm sure that Francis is totally wise to what was going on, and, like the very astute (and enraged) president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, Margaret Archer (who called Bernie's pseudo-self-invitation "monumentally discourteous", and was clearly outraged by the way her conference was hijacked by the political machinations of Sanders, Sachs and Shank), less than impressed with the shenanigans of Sachs, Shank and Sorondo.
Given the fact that the conference attendees were staying in the same guest house as the Pope, the handshake was almost surely a minimalist compromise to handle a really stupid situation.
As Charles Pierce (who knows) always reminds us: "Never f*ck with the Jesuits." And that includes, most definitely, Pope Francis.
And Bernie is continuing, shamelessly, to misrepresent and exploit this whole misadventure.
Not impressive, to say the least.
pandr32
(11,601 posts)Hopefully some of his supporters who did not like that he called Sec. Clinton "unqualified" will have had enough and give up the ghost. Sanders is not ready for prime time. In fact, he is a disaster waiting to happen, as his big "misadventure" to Italy proves.
Treant
(1,968 posts)Political grandstanding--and with any given religious leader--tends to cost more votes than it ever gains. Dems particularly don't like mixing religion and politics.
Cha
(297,503 posts)Thank you for bringing up Margaret Archer, MBS.. I had forgotten about her. She was the one who called out BS in the first place but then seemed to have been over ridden by somebody else.. I mean the story has so many twist and turns.
But, the bottom line is Bernie sucks at Foreign policy. Can anyone imagine President Obama doing a foolish thing like that?! No, neither can I.. or Hillary for that matter. Too classy, too principled, too intelligent.
MBS
(9,688 posts)have pretty much done so.
One of them,Massimo Faggioli (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Faggioli), a professor at the University of St. Thomas, Catholic college in Minnesota, as well as (obviously) an Italian, has stayed pretty relentlessly on the case.
He wrote this for Commonweal 3 days ago, and has continued to send out various tweets. .
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/what-does-sanders-invitation-say-about-vatican-and-sanders
Reports from National Catholic Reporter highlighted the (shamelessly partisan) role of (economist and Sanders supporter) Jeffrey Sachs in engineering this debacle from beginning to end:
http://ncronline.org/news/francis-meeting-bernie-sanders-not-political-just-quick-greeting
Cha
(297,503 posts)Good to know!
MBS
(9,688 posts)be sure also to check out the top comment (April 14, 3:32 pm) by religion writer Peter Steinfels, who recounts a particularly damning story confirming the deep (not to mention conflict-of-interest) involvement of Shank.
Cha
(297,503 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)about Bernie and his buddy the Pope!
pandr32
(11,601 posts)Remember that Melissa Perry Harris lost her show because she refused to go along with the station agenda of morphing into a political "reality show" that wants to build drama more than report the truth. She wanted to be able to have some control as a journalist--they want higher ratings. Keeping Bernie in the game gives a horse race nail biter narrative unfortunately. He continually gets a pass.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)pandr32
(11,601 posts)I can't even stand the so-called "news" anymore. Things will change...soon.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)time marches on and reality is catching up.
spooky3
(34,466 posts)Even the ones that eventually in the story quoted the Pope and more accurately described the handshake in the hallway, still described this as a "meeting" with the Pope and implied that it was much more than it was.
They certainly did not raise the questions of how the trip was paid for and who went along.
athena
(4,187 posts)I thought the Pope looked very pained and uncomfortable in the video -- like he'd rather be talking about anything but this.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-pope-says-its-crazy-to-see-sanders-meeting-as-political/article29653502/
Clearly, he does not want to get involved in this campaign and is annoyed that some will interpret his handshake as taking sides.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)You'd swear the Pope sought Sanders advice and it was a meeting of the minds. I suggest we let them have their fun with this because it will have no impact on what we care about - electing Hillary president.
pandr32
(11,601 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)I swear they are children. They really think Sanders has a shot at the nomination and nothing will get in his way.
Poor, deluded, misguided, doofuses.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,136 posts)Back in the day you would have had comments like that deleted. Instead I'm seeing that phrase used repeatedly.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Always has been, always will be.
livetohike
(22,157 posts)and never will. Come on Tuesday.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)*Not invited by the Pope
*May have lobbied for the invite (still debated)
*Flew 10,000 miles to speak for 10 minutes.
*"Met" the Pope in the foyer for a few minutes as the latter was leaving.
*Pope himself affirms that the meeting was not political and not an endorsement.
That seems to be the long & the short of it?
LAS14
(13,783 posts)I can't believe I haven't posted this in this thread... But in case anyone hasn't seen it.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)own Twitter, he was focused on his mission to Lesbos, as he should have been.