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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:15 PM Apr 2016

While SBS spends hundreds of thousands of $$$ to fly to Rome to give a 10 mibute speech

Hillary goes to Harlem to see and discuss the deplorable conditions people who live in public housing with those who must endure living under such conditions.

All candidates were invited to visit Harlem, but so far, only Hillary has accepted.

I guess a so called invitation to Rome can't compare to an invitation by poor people who live in Harlem.

The Rome invitation? Move heaven and earth and spend a fortune to be there.

The Harlem invitation? Not worth even a response.

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While SBS spends hundreds of thousands of $$$ to fly to Rome to give a 10 mibute speech (Original Post) lunamagica Apr 2016 OP
Is it okay for BS to use campaign funds? KewlKat Apr 2016 #1
No explanation has been given on how he paid for this trip. lunamagica Apr 2016 #6
According to ABC news, his campaign paid for the trip DesertRat Apr 2016 #13
Thank you...Mmmm...I thought campaign funds were not supposed to be used for thise things lunamagica Apr 2016 #16
WTF KewlKat Apr 2016 #18
Hey, he's being feted in a gilded city. A little treat for the hard work of Rose Siding Apr 2016 #22
I believe a "politician" should lead by example, and Campaign Finance Reform is one of his biggies. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #26
"This is a lot of $27 donations for a speech that lasted 15 minutes" riversedge Apr 2016 #24
He can afford to pay for eleven people to fly to Rome for a day on a private jet? Walk away Apr 2016 #29
mission accomplished. generated lots of favorable promotion which was the purpose of the trip nt msongs Apr 2016 #2
And then gratuitously use the Papal's image for fundraising and marketing for the campaign even BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #15
That is absoutely the worst pandering I have ever seen! Good work Bernie... Walk away Apr 2016 #31
It's downright sickening. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #45
What do you expect from a presidential politics amateur like Sanders? stopbush Apr 2016 #3
The people of Harlem actually invited Hillary; Sanders invited himself to Rome. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #4
Did BS say that he was going to release his tax returns today? 4now Apr 2016 #5
He released part of one jmowreader Apr 2016 #34
"None Such"? What is that? eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #43
The Rome trip was such a strange episode for Sanders SharonClark Apr 2016 #7
But Hillary's bad mcar Apr 2016 #8
Just wondered if that was campaign funds liberal N proud Apr 2016 #9
It was paid for with campaign funds DesertRat Apr 2016 #14
"The trip was organized and paid for by Sanders’ campaign." Rose Siding Apr 2016 #23
It was a 10 min. speech to 20 people DesertRat Apr 2016 #25
Are you trying to say that Hillary would not have gone to Rome if invited? Paper Roses Apr 2016 #10
you do mercuryblues Apr 2016 #11
I think my OP was quie clear. All candidates were invited to visit Harlem lunamagica Apr 2016 #12
Why did Sanders bring along 10 family members DesertRat Apr 2016 #17
I know. When talking about this trip, their camp has repeatedly said "There are other things more lunamagica Apr 2016 #19
I wonder if Paul Song and Tim Robbins have anything to say DesertRat Apr 2016 #20
a vacation? sitting on a plane DesertFlower Apr 2016 #30
The children and grandchildren had no business going. I don't see what other word could be used to lunamagica Apr 2016 #37
that is so weird. DesertFlower Apr 2016 #42
Doesn't give me that hope 2naSalit Apr 2016 #21
I know you're upset & underneath it all, you're probably just a little pissed that you've been had. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #27
THIS! Haveadream Apr 2016 #38
Bernie's campaign finagled an invitation BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #35
He has NO shame. Hypocrisy? In abundance. Shame? Not on your life. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #44
This says Bernie flew a private jet. ... riversedge Apr 2016 #28
I would imagine that an 18 hr round trip KewlKat Apr 2016 #32
So essentially BS got paid $300K for a speech at Goldman Vatican? fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #33
Sanders goes on Vacation while Hillary wins game of dominoes at East Harlem senior center Cha Apr 2016 #36
Bernie was pushing this idea he was meeting with the pope Politicub Apr 2016 #39
K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #40
It has been a special 24 hours with Bernie Haveadream Apr 2016 #41

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
1. Is it okay for BS to use campaign funds?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

I wouldn't think so......I thought he'd have to travel on his own dime.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
6. No explanation has been given on how he paid for this trip.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

His own dime? Some of his supporters claim he has a net worth of 300K. Which is ridiculous considering his salary as Senator.

But this trip had to cost more than his alleged net worth

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
13. According to ABC news, his campaign paid for the trip
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016
The Vermont senator was joined by all four of his children and four grandchildren, as well as his wife Jane. A small group of staff, Secret Service detail, and members of the press were also accompanying him for the trip on a chartered plane.

The trip was organized and paid for by Sanders’ campaign.

All and all, the group will spend fewer than 22 hours on the ground in Rome, and will be departing Saturday for a weekend of campaign events back in New York City.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
22. Hey, he's being feted in a gilded city. A little treat for the hard work of
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

looking for tax returns! (It's after midnight in Rome)

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
26. I believe a "politician" should lead by example, and Campaign Finance Reform is one of his biggies.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:37 PM
Apr 2016

Oh, the irony.

riversedge

(70,304 posts)
24. "This is a lot of $27 donations for a speech that lasted 15 minutes"
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:33 PM
Apr 2016

I have no iidea if legal or not.


Citizens Fed Up Retweeted
Terri McGovern ?@TnGovern 21m21 minutes ago

@zalphaprime @CitizensFedUp @tedtoake1 @MikeD0103 This is a lot of $27 donations for a speech that lasted 15 minutes


The cost of Sanders Vatican trip (self.PoliticalDiscussion)

submitted 6 hours ago * by malganis12

I'd like to seriously discuss the cost of Senator Sanders' Vatican trip. Given that his campaign is funded by small donors, I expected this to be a rather frugal affair, but my calculations are showing otherwise. Senator Sanders chartered a 767-300, which costs $17,000 per hour to fly. The cost of the flight alone approaches $300,000.

According to ABC News, this whole trip was organized and funded by the Sanders campaign
. Obviously, donors to a campaign don't get to say how that money is used by the campaign, but still, this is a lot of $27 donations to use for a speech at the Vatican that lasted 15 minutes and that the press described as excerpts from his standard stump speech. It's jarring to me, given how Sanders portrays himself and his campaign to the media...................

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
29. He can afford to pay for eleven people to fly to Rome for a day on a private jet?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

Pretty good for the "poorest Senator".

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
15. And then gratuitously use the Papal's image for fundraising and marketing for the campaign even
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:58 PM
Apr 2016

though the Pope remained absent from Sanders' clear hope to have a photo-op with him.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
3. What do you expect from a presidential politics amateur like Sanders?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

He doesn't belong on the world stage.

Warm up that back bench in the Senate - Bernie is comin' home!

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
34. He released part of one
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

And now I want to see his 2012 and 2013 returns...at some point None Such went to all cash to disguise his assets for the campaign, and I'd like to know when.

liberal N proud

(60,344 posts)
9. Just wondered if that was campaign funds
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

And how the BSers feel about the money they gave to BS being spent on a frivolous trip in the midst of an important primary?

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
14. It was paid for with campaign funds
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder how all his donors feel about paying for this quick trip for Sanders and his extended family for a 10 min. speech to 20 people?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
23. "The trip was organized and paid for by Sanders’ campaign."
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

Tad Devine flat out told Andrea Mitchell it was NOT a political trip.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
25. It was a 10 min. speech to 20 people
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

at a Catholic conference. I don't see how it could be political or why the campaign paid for it?

Paper Roses

(7,475 posts)
10. Are you trying to say that Hillary would not have gone to Rome if invited?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry I can't agree with your post. Hillary could use one of her speaking fees to pay for the trip if she was considered an asset to the meetings in Rome.
Are you critical of the cost or that fact that Senator Sanders went to the meeting?
Any little thing a Hillary supporter can criticize seems to be OK with some. Did you check out Bernie's necktie? Was it the wrong color?

This trip lends support to the hopeful, no matter what religion or philosophy, that we may see our way to a more equitable world.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
12. I think my OP was quie clear. All candidates were invited to visit Harlem
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary accepted the invitation and went today. None of the other candidates (including Sanders) have even replied.

But an invitation to Rome gets the royal treatment. The Harlem invitation gets ignored.

I think it's better to talk to poor people abut poverty, than going around the world to give a speech about it. To me going to the source is a better way to a more equitable world

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
17. Why did Sanders bring along 10 family members
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

on a campaign-paid trip for a 10 min. speech at a Catholic academic conference in Italy? Why fly them all that way, at all that expense for less than one day?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
19. I know. When talking about this trip, their camp has repeatedly said "There are other things more
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

important than politics" So, according to them this was not a political campaign stop (which of course it wasn't -and they admit it). This is looking more and more like a family vacation paid with campaign funds... is this legal?

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
20. I wonder if Paul Song and Tim Robbins have anything to say
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

about the morality of using donor $$ for a free trip on a charter flight to Rome with the extended family?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
37. The children and grandchildren had no business going. I don't see what other word could be used to
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:14 AM
Apr 2016

describe their trip. It was a vacation for them.

2naSalit

(86,780 posts)
21. Doesn't give me that hope
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

even though I'm a very hopeful person. Face it, Bernie is in trouble and out of his element in this race, inviting himself on a multi-thousand $$ family outing for less than 24 hours doesn't fit in with his alleged philosophy.

I have always liked an respected Bernie but now I'm starting to question that and re-evaluating him... it isn't looking good.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
27. I know you're upset & underneath it all, you're probably just a little pissed that you've been had.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

But all the hypotheticals about what Hillary would or wouldn't have done in this situation aren't up to debate. The fact is, BS went for days allowing the press to believe that he was invited by the Vatican (aka the Pope), and when they began to dig around, some have come to the conclusion that he's just another lying garden variety politician.

I know BS & family probably felt much more comfortable surrounded by the minimalist trappings of the Vatican than with a bunch of poor black folk up in Harlem, but even you must see the irony of someone spending $300k in campaign funds on a family day trip. His arguments about Campaign Finance Reform seem much less poignant after a stunt like this, in fact they seem almost hypocritical now.

BS = Do as I say, not as I do.

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
35. Bernie's campaign finagled an invitation
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:25 AM
Apr 2016

for Bernie to attend a conference at the Vatican - he was eager to go, apparently believing that the conference was about Pope Francis instead of John Paul II, which was the case. Even then, Bernie also apparently believed that the invitation was from the Pope himself, despite all claims to the contrary from those closest to the Pope. Those closest to the Pope, after the Kim Davis fiasco, would not dream of letting the Pope anywhere near a US politician with his own agenda. After all, Vatican heads rolled after the Kim Davis fiasco.

If you believe that I am coming on too strong, please read this: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/15/mischief-mistake-vatican-didnt-invite-senator-sanders-meet-pope.html

From that link:

Perhaps because a former Fox News character from America is running the Pope’s public relations, first conservatives and now a Democrat’s campaign misread the Pontiff’s intentions regarding American politics. It is true that Pope Francis has changed the “style of the papal office” in talking about social and economic justice issues and not just scripture and verse, but he has not been very happy about being dragged into, or ambushed by, American politics.

Apparently, a few people “associated” with the Vatican, and some American publicity seekers, labor under the delusion that they can push or use the Pontiff to further their particular agenda. The more one investigates and learns about this particular debacle, the more it appears to be a repeat of the Kim Davis secret meeting with Pope at the Holy Fathers’ request.

According to Mr. Faggioli, the alleged “invitation broke an unwritten rule of wise diplomacy; do not interfere with an electoral campaign and do not risk disappointing or antagonizing the eventual winner.” He also said it violated a pattern typical of Francis’ relationship with politics in general and politicians in particular; he insists on keeping a healthy distance.

As a Pope, he does interact with politicians as world leaders such as presidents, prime ministers, and chancellors, but he does not invite a candidate for a chat in the middle of a campaign. Vatican insiders are discovering that this “Pope does not like at all to be pushed” and he does not like being used as a political tool.


Hillary's campaign knows better than to finagle an invitation from the Pope or anyone else who could even remotely be considered a foreign head of state in the middle of a US election campaign. Although not illegal, it's a bad breach of diplomatic protocol and shows very poor judgment.

That Bernie essentially blew off NYers to visit the Pope is also mystifying in view of this: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/14/bernie_sanders_must_accept_that_pope_francis_isnt_a_friend_to_the_left_the_pontiff_cant_be_a_true_humanitarian_with_his_anti_woman_and_anti_lgbt_views/

Also, as others have noted, this is the Hillary Clinton Group. We support Hillary here.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
44. He has NO shame. Hypocrisy? In abundance. Shame? Not on your life.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:21 AM
Apr 2016

The more you know about Sanders, the less you'll like him.

riversedge

(70,304 posts)
28. This says Bernie flew a private jet. ...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

not commercial. anyone know??

Citizens Fed Up ?@CitizensFedUp 11m11 minutes ago

It's amazing what lengths folks will go to fool kids for money...

#FeelTheFraud
#FeelTheMath
#ByeByeBernie

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
32. I would imagine that an 18 hr round trip
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

on that size plane would run $17,000 per hour. I would think it costs at least $300,000 for that plane alone.

I just heard on the news that he's put out his taxes.........2014, complete. Not seen a link yet.

Cha

(297,660 posts)
36. Sanders goes on Vacation while Hillary wins game of dominoes at East Harlem senior center
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:40 AM
Apr 2016

Citizens Fed Up ??@CitizensFedUp
Sanders goes on Vacation while Hillary wins game of dominoes at East Harlem senior center
http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/watch-hillary-clinton-wins-game-of-dominoes-at-east-harlem-senior-center
10:59 AM - 15 Apr 2016
44 44 Retweets 42 42 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/15/first-lady-michelle-obama-on-bettermakeroom/

Aloha, lunamagica, & Mahalo~

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
39. Bernie was pushing this idea he was meeting with the pope
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:34 AM
Apr 2016

We all saw how that turned out.

Bernie played it safe with this speech. He could have mentioned women's rights, LGBT rights and social equality. Instead, he used his time to deliver his same, one note stump speech, albeit with a bunch of flattering Catholic history woven throughout.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
41. It has been a special 24 hours with Bernie
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:47 AM
Apr 2016

In just that short time, he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds to fly his family abroad, has surrogates declare on television they wont vote for Clinton and has protesters trying to stop down ticket Dems from having the resources they need to get elected.

Sooo


$300,000+ for a daytrip is good

$300,000 for candidates is bad

And, even voting Dem is bad.

Got it.


He is the worst Dem candidate of my lifetime.

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