Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumWhile SBS spends hundreds of thousands of $$$ to fly to Rome to give a 10 mibute speech
Hillary goes to Harlem to see and discuss the deplorable conditions people who live in public housing with those who must endure living under such conditions.
All candidates were invited to visit Harlem, but so far, only Hillary has accepted.
I guess a so called invitation to Rome can't compare to an invitation by poor people who live in Harlem.
The Rome invitation? Move heaven and earth and spend a fortune to be there.
The Harlem invitation? Not worth even a response.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)I wouldn't think so......I thought he'd have to travel on his own dime.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)His own dime? Some of his supporters claim he has a net worth of 300K. Which is ridiculous considering his salary as Senator.
But this trip had to cost more than his alleged net worth
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The trip was organized and paid for by Sanders campaign.
All and all, the group will spend fewer than 22 hours on the ground in Rome, and will be departing Saturday for a weekend of campaign events back in New York City.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)How can this be allowed? Especially the family along.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)looking for tax returns! (It's after midnight in Rome)
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)Oh, the irony.
riversedge
(70,304 posts)I have no iidea if legal or not.
Citizens Fed Up Retweeted
Terri McGovern ?@TnGovern 21m21 minutes ago
@zalphaprime @CitizensFedUp @tedtoake1 @MikeD0103 This is a lot of $27 donations for a speech that lasted 15 minutes
The cost of Sanders Vatican trip (self.PoliticalDiscussion)
submitted 6 hours ago * by malganis12
I'd like to seriously discuss the cost of Senator Sanders' Vatican trip. Given that his campaign is funded by small donors, I expected this to be a rather frugal affair, but my calculations are showing otherwise. Senator Sanders chartered a 767-300, which costs $17,000 per hour to fly. The cost of the flight alone approaches $300,000.
According to ABC News, this whole trip was organized and funded by the Sanders campaign. Obviously, donors to a campaign don't get to say how that money is used by the campaign, but still, this is a lot of $27 donations to use for a speech at the Vatican that lasted 15 minutes and that the press described as excerpts from his standard stump speech. It's jarring to me, given how Sanders portrays himself and his campaign to the media...................
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Pretty good for the "poorest Senator".
msongs
(67,441 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)though the Pope remained absent from Sanders' clear hope to have a photo-op with him.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)He doesn't belong on the world stage.
Warm up that back bench in the Senate - Bernie is comin' home!
SunSeeker
(51,699 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)I guess he was busy again.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)And now I want to see his 2012 and 2013 returns...at some point None Such went to all cash to disguise his assets for the campaign, and I'd like to know when.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)If Hillary did it, she would be called arrogant.
mcar
(42,373 posts)liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)And how the BSers feel about the money they gave to BS being spent on a frivolous trip in the midst of an important primary?
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I wonder how all his donors feel about paying for this quick trip for Sanders and his extended family for a 10 min. speech to 20 people?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Tad Devine flat out told Andrea Mitchell it was NOT a political trip.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)at a Catholic conference. I don't see how it could be political or why the campaign paid for it?
Paper Roses
(7,475 posts)Sorry I can't agree with your post. Hillary could use one of her speaking fees to pay for the trip if she was considered an asset to the meetings in Rome.
Are you critical of the cost or that fact that Senator Sanders went to the meeting?
Any little thing a Hillary supporter can criticize seems to be OK with some. Did you check out Bernie's necktie? Was it the wrong color?
This trip lends support to the hopeful, no matter what religion or philosophy, that we may see our way to a more equitable world.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)realize you wee in the Hillary Clinton group. right?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Hillary accepted the invitation and went today. None of the other candidates (including Sanders) have even replied.
But an invitation to Rome gets the royal treatment. The Harlem invitation gets ignored.
I think it's better to talk to poor people abut poverty, than going around the world to give a speech about it. To me going to the source is a better way to a more equitable world
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)on a campaign-paid trip for a 10 min. speech at a Catholic academic conference in Italy? Why fly them all that way, at all that expense for less than one day?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)important than politics" So, according to them this was not a political campaign stop (which of course it wasn't -and they admit it). This is looking more and more like a family vacation paid with campaign funds... is this legal?
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)about the morality of using donor $$ for a free trip on a charter flight to Rome with the extended family?
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)all those hours?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)describe their trip. It was a vacation for them.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)2naSalit
(86,780 posts)even though I'm a very hopeful person. Face it, Bernie is in trouble and out of his element in this race, inviting himself on a multi-thousand $$ family outing for less than 24 hours doesn't fit in with his alleged philosophy.
I have always liked an respected Bernie but now I'm starting to question that and re-evaluating him... it isn't looking good.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)But all the hypotheticals about what Hillary would or wouldn't have done in this situation aren't up to debate. The fact is, BS went for days allowing the press to believe that he was invited by the Vatican (aka the Pope), and when they began to dig around, some have come to the conclusion that he's just another lying garden variety politician.
I know BS & family probably felt much more comfortable surrounded by the minimalist trappings of the Vatican than with a bunch of poor black folk up in Harlem, but even you must see the irony of someone spending $300k in campaign funds on a family day trip. His arguments about Campaign Finance Reform seem much less poignant after a stunt like this, in fact they seem almost hypocritical now.
BS = Do as I say, not as I do.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)for Bernie to attend a conference at the Vatican - he was eager to go, apparently believing that the conference was about Pope Francis instead of John Paul II, which was the case. Even then, Bernie also apparently believed that the invitation was from the Pope himself, despite all claims to the contrary from those closest to the Pope. Those closest to the Pope, after the Kim Davis fiasco, would not dream of letting the Pope anywhere near a US politician with his own agenda. After all, Vatican heads rolled after the Kim Davis fiasco.
If you believe that I am coming on too strong, please read this: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/15/mischief-mistake-vatican-didnt-invite-senator-sanders-meet-pope.html
From that link:
Apparently, a few people associated with the Vatican, and some American publicity seekers, labor under the delusion that they can push or use the Pontiff to further their particular agenda. The more one investigates and learns about this particular debacle, the more it appears to be a repeat of the Kim Davis secret meeting with Pope at the Holy Fathers request.
According to Mr. Faggioli, the alleged invitation broke an unwritten rule of wise diplomacy; do not interfere with an electoral campaign and do not risk disappointing or antagonizing the eventual winner. He also said it violated a pattern typical of Francis relationship with politics in general and politicians in particular; he insists on keeping a healthy distance.
As a Pope, he does interact with politicians as world leaders such as presidents, prime ministers, and chancellors, but he does not invite a candidate for a chat in the middle of a campaign. Vatican insiders are discovering that this Pope does not like at all to be pushed and he does not like being used as a political tool.
Hillary's campaign knows better than to finagle an invitation from the Pope or anyone else who could even remotely be considered a foreign head of state in the middle of a US election campaign. Although not illegal, it's a bad breach of diplomatic protocol and shows very poor judgment.
That Bernie essentially blew off NYers to visit the Pope is also mystifying in view of this: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/14/bernie_sanders_must_accept_that_pope_francis_isnt_a_friend_to_the_left_the_pontiff_cant_be_a_true_humanitarian_with_his_anti_woman_and_anti_lgbt_views/
Also, as others have noted, this is the Hillary Clinton Group. We support Hillary here.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)The more you know about Sanders, the less you'll like him.
riversedge
(70,304 posts)not commercial. anyone know??
Citizens Fed Up ?@CitizensFedUp 11m11 minutes ago
It's amazing what lengths folks will go to fool kids for money...
#FeelTheFraud
#FeelTheMath
#ByeByeBernie
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)on that size plane would run $17,000 per hour. I would think it costs at least $300,000 for that plane alone.
I just heard on the news that he's put out his taxes.........2014, complete. Not seen a link yet.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Do we have transcripts?
Cha
(297,660 posts)Citizens Fed Up ??@CitizensFedUp
Sanders goes on Vacation while Hillary wins game of dominoes at East Harlem senior center http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/watch-hillary-clinton-wins-game-of-dominoes-at-east-harlem-senior-center
10:59 AM - 15 Apr 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/15/first-lady-michelle-obama-on-bettermakeroom/
Aloha, lunamagica, & Mahalo~
Politicub
(12,165 posts)We all saw how that turned out.
Bernie played it safe with this speech. He could have mentioned women's rights, LGBT rights and social equality. Instead, he used his time to deliver his same, one note stump speech, albeit with a bunch of flattering Catholic history woven throughout.
ismnotwasm
(42,012 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)In just that short time, he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds to fly his family abroad, has surrogates declare on television they wont vote for Clinton and has protesters trying to stop down ticket Dems from having the resources they need to get elected.
Sooo
$300,000+ for a daytrip is good
$300,000 for candidates is bad
And, even voting Dem is bad.
Got it.
He is the worst Dem candidate of my lifetime.