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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:45 PM Jun 2015

*BOG GROUP* House Passes Trade Promotion Authority - Again

In a 218-208 vote with 28 Democrats on board, the House passed TPA again, just like last week.

This time, it was a stand-alone amendment without the Senate-attached Democratic incentive of TAA. TAA was killed last week in a bizarre move by Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats, which put aid for displaced workers in jeopardy, a program supported by Democrats since 1974.

The stand-alone TPA measure has to go back to the Senate for another vote.

The Senate had passed TPA a couple weeks ago, but had sent it to the House combined with TAA legislation as an incentive to pass the entire package and send it to the president for signature.

The Senate will determine the procedures to consider TPA, but the hope still remains TPA will be on the president's desk by Fourth of July recess.

More at: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-passes-trade-promotion-authority-bill/ar-AAbN7qI

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*BOG GROUP* House Passes Trade Promotion Authority - Again (Original Post) yallerdawg Jun 2015 OP
glad to hear this. ucrdem Jun 2015 #1
bad news is that House Republican removed some climate protections MBS Jun 2015 #2
Procedural snafu. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #3
thanks for amplification. MBS Jun 2015 #4
A sad irony, though not lethal in this case, ucrdem Jun 2015 #5
I share the president's frustration. n/t MBS Jun 2015 #7
WaPo editorial on TPP and HRC response MBS Jun 2015 #6
Hillary answers on TPA. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #8
Where the WaPo editorial went wrong MBS Jun 2015 #9
Hillary is tying TAA to her vote for TPA. Last weeks version. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #10
yup, I agree. MBS Jun 2015 #11

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
1. glad to hear this.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:48 PM
Jun 2015

If this trade deal ever gets ratified, which is still at least half a dozen Congressional votes away, it will be the most scrutinized piece of legislation since the Magna Carta. However, I'm expecting it to be worth the trouble.



p.s. Obama and Hillary in LA today for fundraisers and of course it's a hundred degrees plus LOL

MBS

(9,688 posts)
2. bad news is that House Republican removed some climate protections
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jun 2015

or I think that's what I read. This has gotten so complex and confusing that I can no longer keep up. . so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall something about House Republicans removing requirement to monitor coal plants for CO2 emission. . If true, I hope those retrograde amendments can somehow be dealt with before final passage . . .but with Mitch McConnell as majority leader, and especially since the issue is about coal, I'm not holding my breath.

PS-and, yes, I agree that last week's move by Congressional Democrats was bizarre.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Procedural snafu.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jun 2015

Last week, the House Democrats had about as good as it would get. Many hard, good-for-us concessions by Republicans.

The House Democrats killed all of that.

What they passed Thursday was an earlier version of a stand-alone TPA amendment which didn't have as many concessions, to send to Senate for vote as is. It has to again reach 60 vote cloture to end debate and then simple majority vote to pass or fail.

TAA is now separate, but McConnell and Boehner have both promised they will get a passed TAA bill to the president. What it will be attached to is the issue, and will Democrats vote that down again.

TPA is expected to be considered by the Senate Tuesday.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. A sad irony, though not lethal in this case,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

is that every times Dems stall it gets worse. Senate Dems stalled and it got that crazy Medicare poison pill which has since been removed though the talking point lives. Then House Dems stalled and it lost the TAA and apparently other important elements too. I get what's happening and don't know the solution but the irony is that Dems keep making it worse by trying to stop it, and the reason they're doing that, taking Pelosi as an example, is because they're hearing from constituents. They have to heed the call and I understand that, but why are they hearing from us? Because of ODS-powered FUD which should be the exclusive domain of Daryl Issa and Rush Limbaugh but sadly isn't:

Obama unleashes frustration over Washington gridlock
POSTED: Thursday, June 18, 2015, 10:26 PM

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) - President Barack Obama unleashed a torrent of frustration Thursday night over Washington gridlock and acknowledged he has not been able to bring the hope and change to America's political system that he campaigned on.

Obama told donors at a Democratic Party fundraiser hosted by filmmaker Tyler Perry that he has struggled "mightily" against division in politics but the system "still is broken."

"The problem is that too often the political system doesn't reflect the common sense and decency of the American people," Obama said.

(snip)

He also planned to appear with House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, who broke with Obama on the trade vote last week, in a fundraiser in her San Francisco district on Friday.

Obama did not mention the family feud at Perry's house, attended by about 250 donors including "Mad Men" creator Matthew Weiner and star January Jones, former NBA basketball player Jason Collins, former Los Angeles Dodgers owner Frank McCourt and Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos. He instead criticized the political system.

"The incentives that are built into the system reward short term, reward a polarized politics, reward being simplistic instead of being true, reward division. And as mightily as I have struggled against that, I told him, 'You're right. It still is broken.'"


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20150618_ap_60d956a9c9bc42fc800fba411f993576.html#EfCJbT7o8F4w3vSD.99


Short version: ODS-powered FUD captures eyeballs (see GD) but makes governing difficult.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
6. WaPo editorial on TPP and HRC response
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)

I feel for her, because she's getting the same pressure as Pelosi et al. and I know she's in a tricky political situation, but. . here is what WaPo has to say:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clintons-first-hard-choice/2015/06/15/81e352c2-1395-11e5-9518-f9e0a8959f32_story.html

AFTER WORLD War II, the United States and its allies labored mightily to construct a global free-trade regime. They did so for many reasons, not least to avoid the trade wars that had fueled international tension and, ultimately, global conflict. In other words, trade — and the prosperity and interdependence it engenders — was central to both U.S. economic strategy and U.S. security policy.

Understanding this, and hoping to extend past achievements into the 21st century, President Obama is seeking Trade Promotion Authority from Congress so as to negotiate a consolidation of trade relationships with Pacific Rim nations, the most crucial of which is Japan, to be followed by an agreement deepening U.S. economic ties with Europe. It may be a turning point in contemporary history; if the president succeeds, the United States’ leadership could be strengthened for a generation. If he fails, U.S. influence will ebb, and, with it, American prosperity and security alike.

Of all the people who should be standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Obama at this moment, none could do more to help him than Hillary Clinton, who was an enthusiastic champion of these agreements throughout her tenure as secretary of state. The resistance to Mr.?Obama’s trade agenda is led by Democrats in the House who fear that supporting the president will earn them the enmity of organized labor and other progressive groups that simplistically denounce the president’s trade agenda as a threat to jobs and the environment. These Democrats are joined, and validated, in this short-sighted position by Ms. Clinton’s rivals for the Democratic nomination, former governor Martin O’Malley of Maryland and Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.).


Think of the bracing effect it might have had on her fellow Democrats if Ms. Clinton had stood up against election-year political pressure and reiterated what she said as America’s top diplomat in 2012: “that we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP.” Imagine if she had read from her memoir, published just last year under the now ironic title “Hard Choices”: The TPP, Ms. Clinton wrote, “was also important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field. And it was a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia.”
Instead, Ms. Clinton broke her silence on the issue only long enough to equivocate about it . . With 18 months to go in his second term, she now advises Mr. Obama to use the House Democrats’ obstruction of Trade Promotion Authority as “leverage” against the 11?negotiating partners; perhaps to reopen it just as the Obama administration spent a couple of years redoing the U.S.-Korea trade deal it inherited from the Bush administration. What this politically unrealistic advice did not include, however, was a simple yes or no to the question of whether Mr. Obama should have the additional bargaining power of Trade Promotion Authority now, as he requests. And that is the question of the hour.


What a mess.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. Hillary answers on TPA.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jun 2015

But it won't make any difference to her detractors...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said in an interview on Thursday that she would have been a likely no vote on Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) if she still served in the Senate.

Asked whether she would have voted for TPA, she responded, "At this point, probably not because it's a process vote and I don't want to say it's the same as TPP." Clinton, who talked with Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston for his show, "Ralston Reports,"also said, "Right now, I'm focused on making sure we get Trade Adjustment Assistance, and I certainly would not vote for it unless I were absolutely confident we would get Trade Adjustment Assistance."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-hillary-clinton-would-have-voted-against-trade-agreement-tpa/

MBS

(9,688 posts)
9. Where the WaPo editorial went wrong
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jun 2015

. . . was in its own simplistic demand that she give a "simple yes or no" answer. Now that there are so many moving parts, there is really no such thing as a "simple yes or no" on TPP. She had to explain her thoughts in context, as she did. The CBS article described this legislative process as a "game of ping pong", which is a pretty apt (if undeservedly polite) metaphor for this grotesque process.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
10. Hillary is tying TAA to her vote for TPA. Last weeks version.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

The Democrats would like to at least get this again, the Republican majority is dangling the carrot again, but trust is out the window.

Hillary still wants to reserve judgment on TPP until she sees the final negotiated version, a perfectly reasonable response.

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