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Hi,
We are in an English seaside town. We go into a posh hotel and ask for Martinis in the bar. The Brit barman says Whats a Martini? before going off to find out what we are talking about and how to make them. We leave.
Later we go into a seafront cafe and I ask for a black Americano with milk on the side. The Brit waitress gives me a white Americano with extra milk on the side. This drink contains precious little coffee but much milk.
In desperation, we go to a coffee chain, Costa. I ask for the same and the Brit Barrister shouts White Americano to his colleague. It tastes like sludge.
I have been abroad in Europe. I know that this would not happen in any other EU country, or even here if the employee was an immigrant from anywhere. But in Brexit Britain it is a short step back to the 1950s, a time of poor food, worldly ignorance and terminally bad service. Whats not to like?
D.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Very early '50s.
no_hypocrisy
(46,146 posts)when I was in Scotland at a pub and asked for a martini, they served me gin and 7-Up. If you want the vermouth variety, you need to ask for a dry martini.
FBaggins
(26,754 posts)Do you think that they all knew how to make what you wanted a year ago and then forgot?
This appears to fall more into the "silly American tourist" bucket. If you order a martini in France - you get sweet vermouth (often with a choice of colors) with lemon over ice. No gin or vodka.
Why not just order a Big Mac and fries?
whathehell
(29,069 posts)I'll tell you how -- A "screw the foreigner" or "silly American tourist" attitude coupled with provincialism, and lousy customer service.
T_i_B
(14,740 posts)Naff customer service and provincial attitudes weren't invented during the EU referendum.
whathehell
(29,069 posts)Just a thought.
FBaggins
(26,754 posts)This more recent reply implies that you have not (or at least not extensively)... for there is nothing unusual in your story.
Except, perhaps, for the irony of an American traveling to someone else's country, expecting them to cater to what he expects beverages to be (with anything less being poor service)... and then calling them "provincial" - all while coming from a country that thinks that there is such a thing as a 20 oz cappuccino (served all day long).
I recommend more travel... and ordering whatever the local closest to you has ordered.
whathehell
(29,069 posts)but your own silly stereotyping shows in your attempt to characterize a country of 320 million via a glib, but brainless characterization of coffee orders, lol.
First of all, " implications" are quite.subjective, as is one's definition of "extensive", but even before that, considering your presumptuous "suggestion" about my need for "more.travel", I'd have to ask how extensive your travels might be, and if any have taken in any of our fifty states...European stereotypes of "insular" Americans always amuse me since in fact, more Americans have visited Europe than the other way around.
All this is pertinent, baggis, because you see, I''ve not only traveled in Europe, I've lived in one European country and " visited", some frequently,
seven others.
Somehow I'm betting that not only stacks up nicely against your travels, but surpasses what your view of Americans would have allowed. Cheers.
FBaggins
(26,754 posts)Not in this case. Your self-described behavior is bad enough. You walk out of a bar because the bartender doesn't know what you mean by a martini? When he's willing to ask you and escalate to someone else to help you? Yeah... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you actually travel extensively and still act that way... I now recommend less travel - since you're just making the rest of us look bad. I should have assumed this based on the fact that you decided to open a forum post to complain about the service in the first place.
I'd have to ask how extensive your travels might be
Significantly beyond what you describe for yourself - both domestically and abroad (military family growing up and a little service myself... extensive business travel... and frequent holidays to Europe to visit extended family). When I travel, I order their food, not try to get them to make what I can get here (with the notable exception of some excellent Chinese restaurants in London and the Swedish meatballs that I just had to order when Ikea opened a new location outside of Pisa a few years ago). If it isn't what I expected... then I assume that it's my fault - not theirs - and try to expand my palate.
always amuse me when, the.fact, is, more Americans have visited Europe than the other way around.
Interesting that it amuses you... since it isn't true. Travel by Europeans to the US is moderately higher (about 20% last year) than the other way around.
whathehell
(29,069 posts)Get ahold of yourself, dear, I never DESCRIBED my behavior --
- The drink ordering poster was someone else!
FBaggins
(26,754 posts)Why on Earth did you decide to answer for the original poster on what (s)he meant by how it's connected to Brexit?
whathehell
(29,069 posts)That's Croatian for 'no worries'.
In answer to your question, I got into the discussion for two reasons:. 1. I thought the poster had a point, tenuous though it
was. 2. I. get tired of the knee jerk "silly Americans" meme..
T_i_B
(14,740 posts)whathehell
(29,069 posts)Do you imagine Europeans in America don't make similar requests?.....I've served Brits as a waitress in bars and restaurants -- Don't get me started.
whathehell
(29,069 posts)and I'm like "why would a restaurant carry stripper-wear"?
Denzil_DC
(7,246 posts)Dworkin
(164 posts)Hi,
No, I'm a Brit.
My wife is Welsh, which still counts as a Brit, at least for now.
D.