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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 08:33 PM Oct 2013

Wisconsin: Why the Capitol Settlement is a Win (ACLU)

http://aclu-wi.org/story/victory-why-capitol-settlement-win

After we announced our settlement yesterday in the Capitol free speech case, the Department of Administration claimed that the ACLU of Wisconsin had agreed that the state’s “permit process is constitutional.” We’re not surprised the state wants to fudge facts and claim the settlement as a victory. But it’s important to cut through the spin and get a few things straight:

We’ve always held that the state’s permitting scheme is unconstitutional — and Judge William Conley, the federal judge who presided over the case, clearly found it unconstitutional. Nothing about the settlement changes that. At the most abstract level of generalization, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that narrowly tailored, content-neutral permit schemes can be constitutional. Judge Conley recognized that, as do we.

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So, when a certain number of people had gathered inside the Capitol, the state could have required them to submit a full application for a permit, then taken up to 30 days to decide whether to grant the permit, and then arrested people who didn't have one.

This settlement changes that. It’s a victory for free speech because now no one has to receive permission from the government to exercise their First Amendment rights inside the Capitol. Instead of being forced to apply for a permit, now groups of 12 or more can give notice instead. Giving notice is much more informal than applying for a permit, can be done in a variety of ways, and doesn’t even require providing your name. And, unlike permits, the state has essentially no grounds (other than illegal conduct or someone else obtaining a permit) for refusing to allow people who give notice to use the Capitol. The Capitol Police don't get to decide whether to "grant" the notice. The settlement means they must put it on the schedule.


There's more at the link, including how the decision effects past arrests. Also this quote from Judge Conley's decision:

"The Capitol rotunda is closer to an out-of-doors, traditional public forum in that it is a capacious gathering space with a unique history as a place for government and public discourse, which admits for (indeed was designed for) a certain level of disturbance that would not be proper in a typical state office building or even a typical state capitol."
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Wisconsin: Why the Capitol Settlement is a Win (ACLU) (Original Post) Scuba Oct 2013 OP
yes the last paragraph IS very interesting madrchsod Oct 2013 #1
What will Wanker do now? mokawanis Oct 2013 #2
Good for the ACLU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #3
The fact is the public had the right to assemble all along. Someone should pay for the sufferage hue Oct 2013 #4
This is great news. Seems like it should be cross-posted to GD AllyCat Oct 2013 #5

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
1. yes the last paragraph IS very interesting
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:09 PM
Oct 2013

it would seem the judge is hinting that all the cases should be thrown out.

boy that has to sting ole wanker walker.....

mokawanis

(4,441 posts)
2. What will Wanker do now?
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:25 PM
Oct 2013

Now let's see what tactics he instructs the Capitol Cops to use against the protesters. If Walker had any brains, which he doesn't, he'd cut his losses and back all the way off.

hue

(4,949 posts)
4. The fact is the public had the right to assemble all along. Someone should pay for the sufferage
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 07:30 AM
Oct 2013

of the Peeps who were arrested, assaulted, made to feel inferior or that they had broken "some law", jailed etc. A public official such as Wanker should be held accountable for dictating actions that are unlawful. The Capitol Police need to share in the responsibility legally as well. IMHO some of them should spend time in the clink/locked up for the way they treated those who care about justice! They participated in fascist behaviors while living in a democracy!!

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