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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:31 PM Mar 2014

Rockland lawmakers propose bill to make illegal housing conversions a felony

Steve Lieberman, TJN

A New York state law has been proposed to make it a felony to endanger first responders by renovating housing into apartments without permits or buildings into schools without approvals and safety equipment.

The proposal creates the crime of "reckless endangerment of a peace officer, police officer, firefighter or emergency medical services professional."

The measure would make it a crime to knowingly alter buildings without a permit and convert or subdivide a building in violation of the state fire prevention and building codes or other laws. The proposal was introduced by Assemblyman Kenneth Zebrowski, D-Clarkstown, with support from Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee, D-Ramapo. Sen. David Carlucci, D-New City, introduced the bill in the Senate.

The proposal addresses the rising number of illegal housing conversions and private schools. On several occasions, firefighters in Rockland, New York City and Mount Vernon, for example, have been injured responding to fires when they run into locked rooms created by adding walls.

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/2014/03/07/rocklands-state-lawmakers-propose-bill-making-illegal-conversions-felony/6172687/

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Rockland lawmakers propose bill to make illegal housing conversions a felony (Original Post) hrmjustin Mar 2014 OP
I'm torn on this... JimDandy Mar 2014 #1
I agree with the law. Too many stories of people getting killed or hurt from hrmjustin Mar 2014 #2
Your second point it right on Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #3
My guess is that the proposed law targets Kiryas Joel djg21 Mar 2014 #4
Maybe in Rockland county but this is an issue in the city as well. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #5
I agree with the law. no_hypocrisy Mar 2014 #6
I agree. djg21 Mar 2014 #7

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
1. I'm torn on this...
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:44 PM
Mar 2014

We need more affordable housing... often why these conversions happen. On the other hand, renters in these converted units are often taken advantage of by the landlords, or actually in danger from conditions that didn't meet code.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
2. I agree with the law. Too many stories of people getting killed or hurt from
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:45 PM
Mar 2014

Fires in illegally converted housing.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
3. Your second point it right on
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 02:13 PM
Mar 2014

It's those that skirt the permit process I order to house folks illegally and charge enormous rates for slum conditions.

Often these folks are undocumented which prohibits them from complaining.

I was work a gig with fire fighters in SF and saw it a lot in the mission district. 700 bucks a month for a family of 6 or more to share one room with a wall sink. And backing a water closet style toilet. No shower.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
4. My guess is that the proposed law targets Kiryas Joel
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:56 PM
Mar 2014

and the other insular Hasidic communities in the area.

no_hypocrisy

(46,182 posts)
6. I agree with the law.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 07:19 PM
Mar 2014

It doesn't prohibit ALL conversions, just those without permits to make sure the construction is sound and safe.

I lived in perhaps the oldest house in Suffern 25+ years ago. It was the home of Thomas Suffern, converted into a rooming house. When I lived there, it had eight bedrooms and two bathrooms. The new owners got greedy and converted the living room into two more bedrooms, the dining room into another bedroom, and the attic into two more bedrooms, all without permits.

The house only had original electrical wiring and it wasn't long before there was an electrical fire that destroyed one-quarter of the house and it was inhabitable consequently. It was knocked down. And what a shame. It really was a beautiful place with a beautiful property.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
7. I agree.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 07:43 PM
Mar 2014

The law as I understand it is one of general applicability. I speculate that the big issue for Rockland is the Hasidics, who have extremely large families and seem to share the same "bleed the beast" ideology and disdain for law had by many other fundamentalist religious sects. The friction between the Hasidics and surrounding communities is understandable.

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