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petronius

(26,606 posts) Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:01 AM Nov 2012

(California) It's early, but the SoS page is not showing good news for Prop 30

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

Hope that turns around, a loss would be serious bad news for the CSU.

Also kind of interesting that voters seem very willing to reform 3-strikes, but eager to keep the death penalty; that seems kind of divergent...

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(California) It's early, but the SoS page is not showing good news for Prop 30 (Original Post) petronius Nov 2012 OP

It's only 14% partially reported. roody Nov 2012 #1

You can thank molly munger and her millions for prop32 Merlot Nov 2012 #2

You are thinking of Prop. 38, I believe. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #4

yes, sorry, got the numbers mixed up Merlot Nov 2012 #7

Way too early SHRED Nov 2012 #3

I know it's too early, but I'm jealous of those East Coast folks who've been petronius Nov 2012 #6

or 37..... Tumbulu Nov 2012 #5

The only one being called is human trafficking (Prop 35) GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #8

36 and 40 look like they are going to pass. I would be surprised if 30 or 38 pass. IndyJones Nov 2012 #9

sorry you voted against Prop. 30 CreekDog Nov 2012 #13

Yes on 30 now leading, Yes 51.3% - No 48.7% pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #10

Well that looks much nicer, doesn't it? petronius Nov 2012 #11

Better still: Now Yes on 30 - 53%, No - 47% :) pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #12

54.3% to 45.7% now and its lead will grow! CreekDog Nov 2012 #14

roody

(10,849 posts)

1. It's only 14% partially reported.

Reply to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:04 AM

Nov 2012

Merlot

(9,696 posts)

2. You can thank molly munger and her millions for prop32

Reply to petronius (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:09 AM

Nov 2012

either prop 30 or 32 has to pass, they can't both pass or there will be a run off. And it looks like the munger prop has dragged down prop 30.

So, the only good take away is that another millionaire spent their money on a ballot initiative which didn't pass.

maybe 30 will pull through but I'd heard it was at about 48%

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)

4. You are thinking of Prop. 38, I believe.

Reply to Merlot (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:35 AM

Nov 2012

Prop 30, sponsored by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, would raise income taxes by 1 to 3 percent over seven years for those earning $250,000 or couples jointly filing returns for more than $500,000. The plan would raise about $6 billion annually, $2.9 billion of which would go to K-12 schools and community colleges in the first year.

Prop 38 is championed by millionaire civil rights attorney Molly Munger and would increase state income taxes for all Californians over 12 years. Revenue from the program -- at an estimated $10 billion annually for the first years of the program -- would directly go to K-12 schools and early education programs. For the first four years, however, 30 percent of those revenues would pay down state bond debt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/prop-30-and-38-in-califor_n_2006300.html

Molly Munger is a wealthy woman who supposedly wants all Californians to "have skin in the game" including those with children who are surviving thanks to food stamps. Horrors! Never really knew what it is to try to do for your kids on next to nothing and wants to make sure that those who do know that have skin in the game. The Munger folks argue that after all you can deduct the tax from your taxes. Why bother taxing poor people for so little gain to the state and then making the poor claim a deduction for the tax on their tax returns. It is an idiotic waste of paper, state and federal employee time, etc.

http://politic365.com/2012/11/02/competing-california-tax-propositions-vie-for-the-latino-vote/