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highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 04:12 PM Dec 2023

Ozzy Osbourne's making headlines for saying he'd consider using an AI copy of Randy Rhoads' playing

This started with comments he made during an Osbournes podcast (I hadn't known they had one), and I think Guitar.com was the first news site to pick up on it:

https://guitar.com/news/music-news/ozzy-osbourne-ai-generated-randy-rhoads-song/

On the latest episode of the Osbournes podcast, the musician and his family discuss the technology used on the Beatles’ newly released song Now And Then, which features sonic contributions from all four members, including the late John Lennon — whose vocals were extracted from “a ropey little bit of cassette”.

As for whether he’d consider doing something similar with unreleased Randy Rhoads material, Osbourne says: “I haven’t considered it yet, but as far as me doing something like what the remaining Beatles did with the John Lennon thing… that was a partial song and they cleaned the track up.”

“I don’t think I have anything left of Randy Rhoads.”

Ozzy’s son Jack then noted that it’s possible to make a song by having AI come up with guitar parts based on Rhoads’ existing recordings, to which the rocker replies: “Well, you know what? I’m open for anything, if it was good quality. ‘Cause, let’s face it, that Beatles thing, Now And Then, wasn’t a Beatles song; it was a John Lennon song.”

-snip-


Sharon, to her credit, doesn't think much of AI-created music.

Their son Jack seems much more interested, even plays an AI-created snippet of Ozzy singing a Shania Twain song.


I think probably everyone here is well aware of what I think of AI being used in this way, to "resurrect" deceased artists.

And I don't think Ozzy had really thought this through when his son brought up this possibility. I'd like to think that if Jack or Sharon had mentioned using a talented young guitarist to play like Rhoads, he'd've liked that idea better than simply using tech instead of real, living musicians.

The article has the podcast video, which is also on YouTube. The discussion of AI starts at 31:55.


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Ozzy Osbourne's making headlines for saying he'd consider using an AI copy of Randy Rhoads' playing (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 2023 OP
What a horrible thought to "resurrect" Randy DJ Porkchop Dec 2023 #1
I think so, too. And I suspect Ozzy would have agreed if given more time to think highplainsdem Dec 2023 #2
Randy was the best thing to ever happen to Ozzy and he knows it. DJ Porkchop Dec 2023 #3
I hope Ozzy won't do anything like that. highplainsdem Dec 2023 #4
He Won't Like It ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #5
I agree. Btw, the Osbournes just did another podcast, this one mostly about AI. highplainsdem Dec 2023 #6

DJ Porkchop

(452 posts)
1. What a horrible thought to "resurrect" Randy
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 09:06 PM
Dec 2023


Yesterday would have been the rocker's 67th birthday. Rest in peace, RR.

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
2. I think so, too. And I suspect Ozzy would have agreed if given more time to think
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 09:08 PM
Dec 2023

about it.

His son, OTOH, seems very interested in what he might be able to do with AI.

DJ Porkchop

(452 posts)
3. Randy was the best thing to ever happen to Ozzy and he knows it.
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 09:19 PM
Dec 2023

If he could bury him in the Pet Sematary to get another hit record, he would.

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
4. I hope Ozzy won't do anything like that.
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 09:48 PM
Dec 2023

Btw, I hated that Stephen King novel. I've really enjoyed other books he's written, but just the concept behind that made me feel so sick...

ProfessorGAC

(65,062 posts)
5. He Won't Like It
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 10:46 PM
Dec 2023

The Rick Beato episode where he tested AI made it clear that it does a poor job of interpreting lead guitar links & was even worse on acoustic guitar.
Besides, as good as Randy was, Ozzy could call any of a couple hundred amazing players.
Going for a copy makes no sense, especially given the current limitations of the technology.

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
6. I agree. Btw, the Osbournes just did another podcast, this one mostly about AI.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 11:08 AM
Dec 2023

Uploaded just this morning. It showed up on the first YouTube page I looked at this morning, and since the title mentioned "the AI invasion" I checked it and saw from the links for the podcast that it was almost entirely on the subject of AI, after the first 13 minutes, so I ended up watching all of that during breakfast. Which is the most I've watched anything by the Osbournes since they had a TV show many years ago (when I caught parts of a few of the shows by accident).

I'll put the video below. This being the Osbournes, some of it is NSFW.

There was some fairly intelligent discussion of AI at times, and other parts of the conversation were maddeningly dumb.

Ozzy's son, Jack, for instance, while having seemed eager to use AI for music in the previous podcast, talked a lot about the risks of AI in this one, so he is aware of those. OTOH, the way he talks about ChatGPT for teaching, or for summarizing books, indicates he isn't really aware of how often it gets things wrong.

Ozzy's daughter Kelly, who is a singer, is VERY opposed to using AI for music - points out it isn't real creativity, a human artist's creativity - and also mentions that a deceased musician or singer can't give consent to how their AI likeness is used.

But then, stunningly, she talks about how she would love to have AI resurrect deceased actors she likes to watch so she can see them in new films.

I've run across this sort of thing before, all too often. People who DON'T want AI to encroach on their profession, but who would be fine with it being used in a way that threatens other professions. Saw an article recently about an illustrator who did not want AI to replace illustrators, but loved that AI could be used for writing, so he didn't have to struggle with writing copy, or God forbid hire a copywriter, for his own business.



I have to admit I just don't understand that attitude. "Keep AI away from my area, but I don't care if it harms artists, writers, musicians, actors, teachers, etc." We've probably all known lots of artists, writers, musicians actors (well, maybe fewer of those unless you lived in LA or NYC) and teachers (known them as adults, not just as students). So the lack of empathy for what can happen to people in those professions, from some people who see any slightest convenience for themselves in using AI, is just mind-boggling.

But the people peddling AI are, I'm sure, quite aware of how a divide-and-conquer strategy will work for getting even people whose own livelihoods are likely to be threatened by AI to start using it anyway. So AI companies offer all sorts of carrots - "Have AI do your homework for you. Have AI write a children's book customized for your children for you" - and people will focus on just what's useful and/or entertaining for them and ignore all the larger problems it creates. Have AI help you code...and no, don't worry it might take your job. Look how useful it is for you right now...

So someone like Kelly Osbourne can be completely opposed to AI that might harm musicians, but still want it used in a way that will definitely hurt the careers of living actors, and likely lead to deceased actors being resurrected for roles they would never have agreed to play.

Here's this latest podcast. The discussion of AI starts about 13 minutes in. Again, this is NSFW in a few places, but the AI discussion is fairly interesting to watch. Including as an example of just how confused a lot of people are about AI.


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