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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsForty years ago today, Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crashed.
On October 20, 1977, a Convair CV-240 chartered by the rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd from L&J Company of Addison, Texas, ran out of fuel and crashed in Gillsburg, Mississippi, near the end of its flight from Greenville, South Carolina, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Lead vocalist/founding member Ronnie Van Zant, guitarist/vocalist Steve Gaines, backing vocalist Cassie Gaines (Steve's older sister), assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary, and co-pilot William Gray all died as a result of the crash. Twenty others survived.
Crash
On October 20, 1977, three days after releasing their album Street Survivors, Lynyrd Skynyrd's chartered Convair CV-240 airplane ran out of fuel near the end of their flight from Greenville, South Carolina, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The band had just performed at the Greenville Memorial Auditorium and were to play at Louisiana State University upon arriving in Baton Rouge.
Upon realizing that the plane had insufficient fuel, the pilots were going to attempt an emergency landing on a small rural airstrip. Despite their efforts, they did not make it and the plane crashed in a wooded area near Gillsburg, Mississippi. Lead singer/founding member Ronnie Van Zant, guitarist/vocalist Steve Gaines, backing vocalist Cassie Gaines, assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary, and copilot William Gray all died in the crash.
I liked Lynyrd Skynyrd then, and I like them now. I liked a lot of those group on the Capricorn label.
I don't exactly fit the band's demographics, not being prone to wearing a Jack Daniels wife-beater or waving a Confederate flag during a concert.
I hitched a ride with some guys who were headed from the Naval Air Technical Training Center at the long-closed NAS Memphis to a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert in Birmingham back in early 1973. I should have jettisoned my plans and stayed in the car and gone to the concert with them. I wish I could do that one over. I wish I could do a lot of things from back then over.
By Tom Szaroleta
What might have been for Lynyrd Skynyrd?
Jacksonville bands plane crashed 40 years ago
Forty years ago, things were looking up for the Jacksonville boys in Lynyrd Skynyrd. They already were kings of the Southern rock scene, theyd added a new hotshot guitar player to the lineup and their new album, Street Survivors, had just been released.
Then came the plane crash. Forty years ago today, the band was flying from a show in Greenville, S.C., to the next stop on the tour, in Baton Rouge, La., when their chartered Convair CV-240 ran out of fuel and crashed in the Mississippi woods.
Singer Ronnie Van Zant, guitarist Steve Gaines and backup singer Cassie Gaines, plus the bands road manager and the two pilots died in the crash. Twenty others onboard were badly injured.
If the plane had not crashed, what might have become of Lynyrd Skynyrd? What if Van Zant and Gaines had not died and the band continued to build on the momentum that took it to the top of the rock heap? Would Skynyrds popularity have grown or would egos have driven them apart? Would they have changed their sound to fit in during the MTV 80s? Would they have embraced country?
This is my favorite Lynyrd Skynyrd tune:
No discussion of Lynyrd Skynyrd is complete without an explanation of the origin of the group's name:
Biography
Skinner was born in Jacksonville, Florida, in 1933 and graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in 1951. He attended Jacksonville Junior College on a basketball scholarship before being drafted into the U.S. Army. After his discharge from the Army, Skinner attended Florida State University, where he graduated in 1957.
For many years, Skinner was a gym teacher at his alma mater, Robert E. Lee High School. Before coaching at Robert E. Lee, he taught at Glynn Academy in Glynn County, Georgia. He was also a basketball coach at Stillwell Jr. High in Jacksonville. Several members of the band Lynyrd Skynyrd, including Ronnie Van Zant, Gary Rossington, and Bob Burns, were students at Robert E. Lee in the 1960s. Skinner's strict enforcement of a policy against long hair inspired the members to name their band after him. The group reportedly changed their name after Skinner sent Rossington and others to the principal's office for wearing their hair too long. Over time, Burns, Rossington, and other band members developed a series of running in-jokes about Skinner and ultimately decided to pay "tongue-in-cheek homage" to him by renaming themselves "Lynyrd Skynyrd." In 1977, an Associated Press article described the band's connection to their gym teacher as follows:
It seems a physical education teacher named Leonard Skinner didn't cotton to long hair or loud music. A run-in with him helped get the boys suspended. As a way of getting back, they named the band for Skinner, changing the vowels to avoid a lawsuit and becoming famous enough to make the story a rock legend.
Interviewed in January 2009, Skinner said he was just following the rules about hair length. It bothered him that the legend had grown that he was particularly tough on the band members or that he had them kicked out of school. He said, "It was against the school rules. I don't particularly like long hair on men, but again, it wasn't my rule." At the same time, Skinner told The Times-Union of Jacksonville, "They were good, talented, hard-working boys. They worked hard, lived hard and boozed hard." Skinner's son said, "I think he kind of ate it up. He didnt like it at first, he had mixed emotions later, but I think he kind of liked it eventually."
Kittycow
(2,396 posts)I was a young hippie mother in the PNW and I loved them too. Music transcends so many Lines.
underpants
(182,945 posts)He survived the 1977 plane crash that killed Van Zant, guitarist Steve Gaines, his sister Cassie Gaines, who was one of the backing vocalists, assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, and the two pilots. Pyle suffered a torn chest cartilage, but he and two other survivors managed to stumble several hundred yards through a creek and a freshly plowed field to a farmhouse to get help. The appearance of Pyle and his companions alarmed the farmer, who fired a warning shot over Pyle's head, according to Pyle. A bullet fragment lodged in Pyle's shoulder. (The farmer has denied shooting at Pyle.) The misunderstanding was quickly cleared up after Pyle shouted "plane crash!" and the farmer helped him inside his house. About the same time, local rescuers, who had just completed a Civil Defense drill, converged on the scene and Pyle directed them to the crash site where the dead and the injured were located. [6]
captain queeg
(10,269 posts)First concert I ever went to. Saw the original band twice. The guitar player in the red bell bottoms (sorry, don't know names) was not even as animated as is in this video clip. He looked down at this shoes the whole time, would sort of shuffle back and forth. I loved him.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,661 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)they made some really good music. I do not think they had any hate in their hearts but, of course, I don't know them. The two die-hard Skynyrd fans I know are kind and gentle souls whom I would not lump in with the rebel flag-waving redneck fans people seem to like to associate with Lynyrd Skynyrd. (No doubt those fans exist - I guess I'm saying #notallskynyrdfans?)
I don't listen to them much any more but I'll turn it up when they come on the radio. I never saw the original band but in the early 80's I did see the Rossington-Collins band and a little later in the 80s I saw the little brother version of LS. I think the Georgia Satellites opened up for them.
There was a time (long ago) when I thought one had to chose between them and Neil Young but I got over that because I like Neil too.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,661 posts)The crowd is serious into Harley-Davidson and Jack Daniels wife-beaters and flag waving.
I love their music. Every now and then, I have to put aside politics.