Game of Thrones 7.7 "The Dragon and the Wolf" (spoiler alert - season finale)

[NewJeffCT]

it's already here, the season finale.

I did not see an actual one line summary of the episode like I normally get, but I know the episode is a show record breaking 81 minutes.

trailer breakdown:

[NewJeffCT]

1. some articles from the past week

What to remember:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/im-freaking-out?utm_term=.taYO2Lv4M2#.ykzvq3jl2q

What to know:
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/08/what_to_know_for_the_games_of_thrones_finale.html

predictions:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/game-of-thrones-season-7-finale-predictions-jon-snow-and-dany-make-love-the-wall-will-fall-and-more

best fan theories?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-game-of-thrones-finale-fan-theories-20170826-story.html

[OriginalGeek]

2. 81 minutes is great

but I'm afraid it will still be thousands of hours too little.


lol I don't wanna give up this world!

[NewJeffCT]

3. only 6 more episodes

after tonight. And, who knows when that will come? Could be next summer or even as far out as Spring 2019.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Just six??!!

I read somewhere they are going to start filming in October

[NewJeffCT]

10. yes, the last season will have 6 episodes

I believe they're all supposed to be similar, or close, to as long as tonight's episode in running time.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Maybe not such a bad trade-off.

Thank you.

[NewJeffCT]

14. You can also look at it this way

each episode of The Walking Dead is about 43 or 44 minutes because of commercials, so a 16 episode season is 11.5 or so hours long.

With Game of Thrones, there are no commercials, so a typical 10 episode season of Game of Thrones is 9.5 or so hours long.

[DashOneBravo]

41. I read somewhere

That they were doing more. Like prequels or spin offs

[Iggo]

5. Per your second video: Both books coming out next year?

So I only have to go another year with my enforced self-delusion ("Nothing to see here. This was all a dream." ) before getting back to the actual story, the actual characters, and the actual dialog?

Oh, happy day!

[NewJeffCT]

20. I doubt it

there have been rumors about him working on both books at once, but I don't think that's the case. I'd be happy if book 7 comes out reasonably quickly after book 6, though.

[exboyfil]

67. To Dream the Impossible Dream

Odds on the 7th book never gets completed.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. Anyone know if this one is going to be leaked?

And if so, is it info that can be shared?

[NewJeffCT]

11. I believe the leaks

were the ending, but I'm not sure if the entire think leaked.

[bettyellen]

21. There were photos and plot points leaked..... like the (SPOILER ALERT)....

Boat sex we've all heard about and totally expect.
And the the other two big things, one of which is def correct the other not confirmed.

[MuseRider]

7. I am not sure

what I am going to do when this is all over. It is one thing to love a book series. Then to have 7 years of very good episodes based on the books you loved with a cast that has been outstanding. Do that for 7 years, do it only a few times a year so that you are made to wait a long time between and you have a situation that, well I don't even know what to say. For some odd reason this series, the books mostly, have captivated me. This last episode should set up a big final season, should be packed with good and bad stuff, lol!

[Baitball Blogger]

8. I am going to buy the collection series and watch it all over again when hubby retires.

Can't wait!

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Where did Ned go to get the genetic info that convinced him that Joffrey and his siblings couldn't

possibly belong to Robert Baratheon?

I was just wondering if it was one of the maesters who told him. Then I can see why one of the maesters forced Sam to rewrite seemingly mundane information, knowing that he would eventually uncover the truth.

Without this human chain of evidence, only Bran can put things together for everyone.

[NewJeffCT]

13. Long-ish story

that i'll try to summarize.

Jon Arryn was poisoned by Littlefinger (or LF had somebody poison him), but blamed it on the Lannisters. Arryn had been doing research into the lineage of both House Lannister and House Barartheon and had determined that every child with a Baratheon father had had dark hair (His mention of "The Seed is Strong" was initially thought to mean that his son, Robin Arryn, was going to be a strong, healthy child, but it meant that going back in history, all the Baratheon heirs had dark hair)

I believe Jon Arryn suspected the Jaime/Cersei thing and was looking for evidence - and Ned found the research.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. Jon Arryn must have been the best of that family branch.

Thanks again. Four more hours!

[Yavin4]

19. Littlefinger had Lysa Arryn (nee Tully) poison Jon Arryn

One morning at the Eyrie, Lysa catches Petyr kissing Sansa. She blames Sansa and during a emotional row almost throws her from the Eyrie's Moon Door. Sansa is saved by the timely intervention of Petyr, who stops Lysa from sending Sansa to her death. Lysa is hysterical about the idea that Petyr might desire Sansa, and confesses how she and Petyr had maintained a relationship during their time in King's Landing, and she had convinced her husband, Jon, to appoint Petyr as manager of customs at Gulltown (which led to Petyr being brought to court and eventually to his appointment as master of coin)[19]. She also proclaims how she had poisoned her husband, as instructed by Petyr, and how she had sent her sister a letter accusing the Lannisters of the murder, again as per Petyr's instructions.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Lysa_Arryn#cite_note-Rasos80.7B.7B.7B3.7D.7D.7D-14


When I read that, I thought that it would be a huge deal, but it's largely gone unnoticed by the viewers. Littlefinger, in essence, is solely responsible for all of the events of the books and the series, with the exceptions of the White Walkers. He put everything else into motion.

[bettyellen]

22. WHUT?!?! Holy shit!!! I missed that one. Hated Lysa!

[Baitball Blogger]

28. If the spoilers for tonight' show are true, I am going to relish what's coming for that little worm.

[bettyellen]

45. Whooooah!

[Baitball Blogger]

16. BTW, anyone who is watching the WD marathon, the first episode where Michonne joins the

show is on now. 5 pm est.

[NewJeffCT]

17. Some memes from the past week

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Iggo]

18. Burn and a sick comeback!!!

" ...3 children?"

[bettyellen]

23. Why haven't I been following you on Twitter? Hold my beer...

[NewJeffCT]

24. Most of my tweets

are related to Game of Thrones and the Walking Dead. I do some political stuff and some other TV/movie/entertainment tweeting.

[bettyellen]

26. I see that/ mine are mostly politics, but there's some odd culture things, dogs and

A few friends, some of who Tweet as part of their communications blogs. I added a lot of medieval art this past six months.

[Baitball Blogger]

31. I might finally get an account.

I'll start by lurking.

[bettyellen]

32. If you PM me I'll let you know who I am there....

I only tell people i know well enough. If you follow enough good news people it's awesome.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. Okay. When I'm ready.

Thanks.

[DashOneBravo]

30. Those are bad ass

My son had those cards and I can't remember what they are called

[steve2470]

25. GoT in ten minutes woot woot nt

[DashOneBravo]

27. It's time. I'm hanging with

Here with you guys.

[NewJeffCT]

29. welcome aboard

I try to post here and on twitter

[bettyellen]

34. Hey DOB - welcome! We do this for Walkind Dead too. That's coming back soon!

[DashOneBravo]

37. Thank you ma'am

I like that show too!

I didn't get to watch last season but will catch up

[bettyellen]

40. Jeff's always posting cool links. oMg who's going to clean up the wraith remains? LOL

[NewJeffCT]

52. We had an informal discussion in season 1 of The Walking Dead

but, when season 2 came around, a few persons were not able to make it "live" here to discuss the show, so I set up the weekly sunday threads here to discuss so the persons that missed it can chime in later.

[NewJeffCT]

33. here we go

kicking off now - previously on featured LF, Sansa and Arya as well as Theon, so expect some of both those stories as well as Jon/Dany and their upcoming #Boatsex

[NewJeffCT]

35. The Unsullied stand outside King's Landing

I think. A lot of them out there.

[NewJeffCT]

36. The wight is rather frisky

in the box there.

[NewJeffCT]

38. Nice to see The Hound and Brienne

bonding over Arya

[blogslut]

68. I actually teared up when both made parental-type pride faces about Arya.

It's been a bad weekend and that was the kind of twisted but sweet moment that makes me happy.

[bettyellen]

42. Best post castration outcome, I guess....

[NewJeffCT]

43. Yep

that few seconds bought him the time he needed to recover

[NewJeffCT]

44. RIP Littlefinger

I guess Sansa and Arya were playing him

[Baitball Blogger]

49. Looks like that was all Sansa. She played the game and probably went to advise

her siblings. Good thing she included ALL of his transgressions so the Vale men would not follow Petry.

[Rollo]

60. While Sansa was playing along with Petyr, I kept remembering her previous comment about him...

Something to the effect that he could never be trusted. Certainly she couldn't forget how he sold her off to the Ramsays...

And he did get what he so richly deserved.

But I wonder if he'll be back as the undead if the White Walkers make it to Winterfell. They should burn his body right away.

As for Jon and Dany... I guess aunt and nephew isn't quite as inbred as brother and sister. It would be great if Cercie's latest offspring turns out to be a dwarf, though.

[Baitball Blogger]

63. I have a theory that mystical powers, such as what the Targaryns possess, only gets

stronger if they keep it in the same gene pool. Would make sense why incest was encouraged.

[blogslut]

70. You know those three Stark kids had to have had at least one family night together.

I know a lot of reviewers and fans are all pissed with this season because of tropes and plot-holes and such but I don't care. GRRM's damned books are exhausting in their tediousness. I read the series up until half-way through the last one and said FUCKIT. I don't want to keep up anymore.

Our current reality is an excruciating daily torture. Give me something where the good guys win for fucking once.

[Baitball Blogger]

81. Yeah, they did have at least one night.

In the post-petry scene between Sansa and Arya, things were said that suggest that they went into the meeting with just a draft of an idea of what was going to happen. They still hadn't said the complimentary things that they said to each other afterwards.

[dixiegrrrrl]

112. Amen to that.

I made thru 2 books, then had gratitude for the series. And I am a voracious reader.

[TDale313]

59. So glad this was what was going on.

I was really not liking the Arya/Sansa "tension". They were way too smart not to have seen through Littlefinger's machinations.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. BOUT FUCKIN TIME

[hibbing]

138. Woot

He was always the biggest sleazeball. That was a brutal slash by my favorite character.


Peace

[Baitball Blogger]

46. Ahhhh, Stark justice.

Was it good for you? It was good for me.

[Baitball Blogger]

47. Blue Laser!

Tormund must survive!

[bettyellen]

48. Pls not Tormund!

[NewJeffCT]

50. I'm guessing

that it would take a miracle for any of them to get out of there alive.

[bettyellen]

51. But.... I love him! And there have been miracles to spare- I want just one little miracle!

[TDale313]

66. I think we would have seen it if he'd died.

More than we saw, anyway. The fact that it was left slightly up-it-the-air makes me think he survived. Either that or we get wight-Tormund. ☹️

[bettyellen]

97. Thanks Dale- I needed some hope!

[Yavin4]

53. This is why you don't spend precious tax dollars on building walls! n/t

[Yavin4]

54. BTW, being late to an important meeting is very passive aggressive. n/t

[WinkyDink]

128. Oh, Dany knew quite well what she was doing. I once had a boss do that to me;

a school situation. She (and others I was to meet with) came back from lunch "late," nonchalantly, to find me waiting in the front office.

When they called me in, I said I would just be a few seconds, as I "wanted to finish the magazine article" I was reading.

I lasted long enough to reach full retirement age/time served (deliberate usage).

[Yavin4]

135. Just imagine if you had flown in on a fire breathing dragon! n/t

[WinkyDink]

140. Haha! I would have, too! Whooooosh!

[Baitball Blogger]

56. LOL!

[Baitball Blogger]

55. So Jon brings up the obvious question about Dany's chances of impregnation.

Why trust the word of the witch that killed Drogo?

The only sad thing is his talk with the Light guy. Very somber about only having the purpose of protecting others. It might be foreshadow and all the happiness he may have left to enjoy is going to take place in the ship cabin with Dany.

Not sure why that connection would worry Tyrion.

[Yavin4]

57. He wants her to rule.

She is supposed to change things, not Jon.

[Baitball Blogger]

58. Jon is not an ambitious man.

Not sure why Tyrion would think he would want top billing in that union.

[WinkyDink]

129. He is not a power-hungry man.

[bench scientist]

114. Tyrion wants democracy based rule for Westeros. Dany may not break the wheel if she has an heir.

He's mentioned both the Night's watch voting for their commander and Iron Born Kingsmoot vote to Dany.
If Dany has an heir she's more likely to continue the tradition of monarchy.

[Baitball Blogger]

118. Where would dragons thrive in Martin's world during peace time?

When she was walking around the Dragon coliseum, she said that when they imprisoned the dragons and allowed them to sicken and die, her people became nothing without them.

I'm wondering if she could live without them. Or if she would rather take a solitary life away from people, since no one really has a need for dragons in peace time.

[bench scientist]

133. I think at the end of the series magic will be over again. No dragons, no lord of light.

Until the next long winter.
I think the lord of light might be a baddie too.

[Not Ruth]

61. That was hot

[Not Ruth]

62. Theon was fantastic, Jamie as well

A lot of the rest was almost tongue in cheek, just did not have the gravitas.

[Baitball Blogger]

64. They gave Theon a good amount of time to get his story arc where it needed to go.

That kid can act.

[Yavin4]

65. There will be lesser episodes next year. n/t

[Iggo]

84. "Fewer." -- Stannis Baratheon.

[WinkyDink]

130. Ha! But they could very well be lesser, too!

adjective

comparative adjective: lesser

not so great or important as the other or the rest.

[RandySF]

69. I told you guys that Jon and Dany were going to get it on, didn't I?

[Iggo]

85. Ew!

And it happened while they were explaining how they were related.

Gross!

[RandySF]

107. .

[WinkyDink]

127. Pretty much pre-ordained when the actors were hired!

[Warren DeMontague]

72. They should have given Rhaegar a better haircut than Viserys

[Iggo]

86. Did I miss a scene? Or was that it? One short shot, and in profile, no less? (n/t)

[Warren DeMontague]

98. Nah, that was it. The secret wedding.

[Solly Mack]

73. Just now finished watching.

All I have to say about it...

Yay! Stark sisters! (whew) ...and Bran

That's my Arya - swift and fast.

With his own knife and by his own lies, the fucker finally dies.


Good on, Theon.

Good on, Jon. (for forgiving Theon)

Good on, the Hound.

Good on, Jaime.

Good on, Brienne. (for smacking Jaime)

..........

Ick. Ew. Gross. Nasty. Yuck. Puke. Blech. Barf. Gag.

........

Well, the Wall is broken.

....and so it ends

For now.

I'm done.

Thanks you our host, NewJeffCT!!

Thank you to everyone for making the season better!

[Not Ruth]

74. Assuming that anyone in this thread has watched

Season 8 involves the battle of the pregnant Queens? One by her brother and the other by her nephew? One with a paid army (lead by Bronn?), one with an unpaid army (led by Jamie?), who are BFFs? I have to believe that the army of the dead will only take a couple of episodes to crush.

[NewJeffCT]

75. Not so sure

that Dany and Cersei are going to immediately go to war. Dany knows the important war is starting in The North and may be focused on that while Cersei tries to re-conquer what remains in the South - Dorne, Highgarden, the Riverlands, The Vale, etc.

I am also not sure how the Golden Company's elephants will do in the snow, either?

[Not Ruth]

76. I would bet on 1 dragon over a hundred elephants

[Not Ruth]

80. As in sharing one parent? No

[NewJeffCT]

87. I believe Dany is Jon's Aunt

The "Mad King" Aerys Targaryen had three children:
1) Rhaegar Targaryen was the Crown Prince, killed on The Trident by Robert Baratheon
2) Viserys - killed by the Dothraki
3) Daenerys - still alive

Rhaegar had three children - two by his first wife, Elia Martell, that were killed by The Mountain during the sack of King's Landing, and then Jon Snow (nee Aegon Targaryen) with Lyanna Stark.

By being the son of the eldest child, Jon technically has a greater claim to the Iron Throne than Dany.

(In the books, there is somebody claiming to be Aegon Targaryen that is still alive, though many think he is a Blackfyre (imposter))

[JenniferJuniper]

91. There's no question - he's her nephew and

as the legitimate son of Rhaegar he is the heir to the iron throne.

I think he's going to be kinda grossed out after the shock wears off.

[NewJeffCT]

94. as somebody on Facebook pointed out

incest is not that uncommon in Westeros - Ned Stark's parents were cousins, and Tywin and Joanna Lannister were cousins as well. So, while direct incest like the traditional Targaryen Brother/Sister incest (or Jaime/Cersei) is frowned upon, it seems that cousins is not (nor would Aunt/Nephew)

[JenniferJuniper]

95. It won't be a big deal to Dany but

Jon grew up a Stark and incest was frowned upon. Cousin/Cousin marriages are legal in quite a few states; it's not as close a relationship has aunt/nephew.

[lunatica]

96. Jon is her brother's son. It makes Jon her nephew

Which royal families consider marriageable, I think.

Or am I missing something?

[Not Ruth]

78. I was just skimming FB and saw info from a leaked season 8 script??????

Episode 5, which is the penultimate one. Could this be real?

[NewJeffCT]

79. it's possible

the scripts for season 7 were leaked months ago and they proved to be pretty accurate.

[Baitball Blogger]

82. The only plot twist I didn't see involved Cersei. (Spoiler, maybe)

She didn't wake up in a bed smeared with her own blood, suggesting a miscarriage.

[NewJeffCT]

83. Maybe that will be next season?

that would likely drive her mad.

[Baitball Blogger]

88. Yup. That will definitely push her over the edge.

One other thing that I suspect may have been a preparation for a twist was Bronn taking Poderick aside for a drink and a chat.

Bronn has already exhibited independence from Cersei by setting up that meeting between Jaime and Tyrion. So I scratched my goat hairs when someone said that Bronn was getting the Golden Army of mercenaries. Don't know where I heard it, or read it. But, if it's Bronn who is going to be the drover for the army, I wouldn't assume that Cersei has anything going for her. He probably filled Poderick's head with alot of useful information.

[steve2470]

89. one thing I love about Sling TV is they have all the episodes on-demand for free

https://www.sling.com/

I'm going to go back and watch the finale again, it was so good.

[steve2470]

90. Does anyone else think that Jon will just give up his claim to the Iron Thone to Dany....

live with her in Winterfell while she reigns over the continent, and she posts a trusted deputy to Kings Landing ? Too neat ? Am I missing something ? So far I don't see Jon coveting the Iron Throne. He would want to remain in the north, I would think.

[NewJeffCT]

92. I think one or the other

will have to sacrifice themselves to saved the world from the Night King.

[JenniferJuniper]

93. Or both

Perhaps they sacrifice themselves for their son who ends up being the Prince Who Was Promised.

[Solly Mack]

105. I think so, too.

Perhaps Jon? - if his talk with Dondarrion is foreshadowing.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. I don't think Jon has any interest in power.

Which begs the question as to what he'd do with himself without a continent to save.

[Solly Mack]

100. Did anyone else want the death of Littlefinger to be dragged out longer?

The actual death, that is....not the getting there.

More suffering.

Though I guess being blindsided was the way to go with him. That was his specialty.

[Iggo]

101. I found it horrifying that he was in the middle of talking, and he couldn't talk no more.

Just like that. Plan done. Here's about half a minute to think about how done you are. And now you're dead now.

[Solly Mack]

103. Yes, swift. More humane than Littlefinger has been to others.

But when you consider Littlefinger's nature and deeds - the entrapment by them all - the seeming betrayal by Sansa - by all the Starks he thought he had fooled or ensnared - was fitting.

So, yes, I imagine it was horrifying to him.

I wanted him to suffer more first, but I can see how it was a fitting death.

[MosheFeingold]

143. Talking was his weapon

Hence also why he was stabbed in the throat.

[NewJeffCT]

102. it would have been nice

but, I also figure that the longer you keep him alive, the more chance he has of escaping or worming his way to a deal

[Solly Mack]

104. Good point. His death was fitting, albeit swift. The spider caught in his own trap.

[Solly Mack]

106. Tyrion will betray Daenerys. At least that's what I got from the look on his face.

It was always hinted at that Tyrion was falling in love with her. Then last week it was more than a hint, and this week it was all but spelled out.

I am watching it again.

Seems hard to think of Tyrion that way, but it makes sense.

She could have bedded almost anyone else - but she picked the bastard (in Tyrion's mind, a Stark - and Lannisters don't think well of the Starks...not even his words to Jon make a difference in this regard - he's still a Stark bastard in Tyrion's mind. Finding out about Jon's true heritage probably won't change how Tyrion feels.)

It will be Tyrion, and unless forgiven, he will die for his betrayal. Even then, with forgiveness given, he could still die.

[Warren DeMontague]

108. I don't think Tyrion's motivations lie there, and one thing we got from this episode IMHO

is that Jon is gonna Jon, Cersei's gonna Cersei... in other words, these characters are who they are.

Tyrion genuinely wants a better world, or a better Westeros, however you want to put it. That was why he was pestering Danerys an episode or two ago about, basically, bringing Democracy in after her reign.

Which, from our perspective at least, is actually a good wake-up call. I mean, Dynastic rule.. does anyone think that's a good idea? If Westeros is to evolve, Democracy seems like a logical stepping stone.

Tyrion may have feelings for Danerys but they're pretty deeply buried. I don't think that's a motivating factor for his character, here (Jorah, OTOH...) More likely, his concern in the hallway was due to 1) knowing that a romantic Jon-Danerys involvement could complicate matters, and 2) if she actually can have kids then there goes Democracy, hello Dynastic rule again.

And there's always the remote possibility that some other people in Westeros have known about Jon all along. Like Varys. He knows everything, how'd he not figure that out?

[Solly Mack]

111. I like how you think. I'd much rather it turn that way. Toward a true better world - after the dead

are defeated. I don't think that's how it is going to go though.

Jon is Jon, no matter what. True. He said as much, Lord, King, call him whichever, for neither title matter.

Book spoilers ahead. Stop now.














And Cersei is the same sick person who murdered her childhood friend (Melara), as always. But that's in the books and left out, possibly, from the TV series to show a decline in her mental state - but there was no decline, not really. Cersei was always a sociopath. She once tried to pinch Tyrion's penis off when he was still new to the world. She did this in front of the then young Martell heirs. Tywin had hoped to make a match between the Martells and the Lannisters.

I don't think Varys knows everything. Ned went out of his way to confuse the trail. In the books, anyway. Though all of his actions were for honor, the path he took left tongues wagging all over Westeros. Different tongues, different tales. And when I say he went all over - I mean even the islands just off Westeros were involved in his crossing to avoid KL.

I think that's part of the story - that spiders don't know everything like they think they do. Though the Spider is Varys' nickname, they both (Varys/Littlefinger) play(ed) the role of one.

In the books, only two people knew about Jon for certain - Ned and Howland Reed. Maybe Ashara. Quite possibly Ashara, but she died - maybe.

Bran was destined to find out. I'm certain Meera and Jojen Reed know/knew.

In the books, Varys has another plotline working about a possible heir. Spiders can be blinded by their own machinations. Such as Littlefinger - who got caught in his own trap.

That the alternate bloodline plot has been done away with in the show, let's us know nothing comes of it. It also tells us that Varys didn't know (otherwise, why the elaborate plot in the book?). Unless the show decides to make it seem as if he knew.

I can't really separate the books from the show. Sorry.


I think, maybe, that Daenerys will be pregnant by Jon in the show. Books haven't gotten that far. But it makes for good TV. Two pregnant Queens fighting it out for rule for the next generation.

[Warren DeMontague]

113. Yeah, i think you're right about all of that.

Ive read the books, too- but my memory for the details is not so great, esp. since i finished a dance with dragons so long ago, now, it seems like.

I'll need to revisit them, in my copious spare time, lol.

Re: the shortcutting around some of the elements left out from the books- like "young griff"/ the alternate bloodline stuff i think you're referring to.. i wondered last night if combining that was why they made jon's name "aegon" as well. Seems needlessly confusing, though, since either way Rhaegar seems to have given both his sons the same name.

[Solly Mack]

115. I thought that too. His real name being the same as his brother's name. Confusing.

That they took it from the other would-be heir story line to not have to deal with it.

Saves time, I suppose.

Jon always played Aemon the dragon knight as a child when he and Robb would sword fight. I thought his name might be Aemon. But Aemon (of the Night's Watch and not Aemon the Dragon Knight)) did always love his Egg (brother). So maybe Jon's play-acting at being Aemon was foreshadowing of his true name being Aegon. Aemon of the Night's Watch loved Jon, I think. Like he loved his younger brother Aegon V, who was called Egg.

The Egg - not yet hatched, like a dragon not yet born. Like Jon.

Aegon makes sense - in the grand scheme of things. The whole Aegon the Conqueror thing that began the Targaryen rule.

Also, perhaps once the marriage was annulled, so went with it the birthright. Making the name free to go to the true heir. They were the rulers and could make that call.

Had they lived, Elia's children would have become Sands and would no longer be Targaryens.

The King's Guard - the important members - were guarding Lyanna Stark (Targaryen) and her coming child, and not Elia Martell and her living children. I think that says it all, really.

I miss the books.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Okay, I love the show, think the whole story is a great yarn, etc etc. Geek out all over it.

That out of the way, I'm gonna vent a bit about this season and some of the corner-cutting (necessary, I'm sure) that has been required to move the story to where it's gotta go.

And I think there's a bit of a glaring obviousness that we've moved past George RR Martin's writing, somewhat.

Okay, complaints: I'm gonna leave "trans-westeros teleporting" off the list, mostly, too.

So... can someone tell me, in a few sentences, exactly what the fuck was the point of the entire "capture a wight" thing? Seriously? I mean, aside from the loot train attack, NOTHING Danerys has done this season has been anything close to a good decision.

But that one takes the cake. So okay, they wanted to be able to go north and fight and as such convince Cersei not to take over Westeros with... basically no army, at this point. And they couldn't just fly into Kings Landing, be done with her, (she has almost no friends and allies, right?) and THEN go up north to deal with the Night King, who would still be stuck behind the wall since he didn't have THE DRAGON YOU JUST CONVENIENTLY GAVE HIM...

Seriously. I understand why the story kind of needs to go this way, but It's a bit annoying.

[bench scientist]

116. everyone is enamored to their own agenda and sees only their enemies

Jon sees only the Night king as the real threat and is blinded to Cersei as a threat. He'll do anything to convince her of that he's right. Even the foolhardy mission Tyrion suggests. Dany is enamored of Jon and rushes off to save him, to prove she is a dragon.
Cersei is still focused on the iron throne.
They are human and pursing their own agendas in spite of logic.
Maybe the Night King wins?

[Warren DeMontague]

117. it just felt a little forced. Like "we know we need to get chess pieces A-D over to places X and Y"

I've seen weak spots in the show previously, like the whole Dorne thing a couple seasons ago.. Bronn and Jaime's keystone cops act.

But I've said before, it's the best thing happening in Entertainment right now by far, and I still feel that way.



I also think the theories that somehow the Night King had the dragon capture as a setup, make a lot of sense. Which begs the question as to how much he knows or how connected he is to this whole trans-temporal weirdness thing that is going on.

[bench scientist]

123. the theory i've heard is NK is future Bran.

[OriginalGeek]

122. I could actually accept a Night King win

to end this series

AS LONG AS

I get a teaser for a new series featuring a Super-Targaryen born of 2 Targaryens, one of whom was resurrected from the dead, with powers over both living and dead dragons.


Otherwise I don't think I can stand an ending that isn't happy for at least Arya and Jon. (and their most favored ones).


Meanwhile at my house we are arguing over what GoT names to give our expected new kittens. (We've filled out the adoption papers just yesterday but have to wait for the foster mother's approval).

[bench scientist]

132. same.

A kitten named The Hound? or purrcei? Lol I have 2 cats which were both rescue kittens. Sasquatch and Ferris Mewler. (Sasquatch was shy and reclusive and would make few rare appearances until he got comfortable. Good luck with your new fur babies..

[OriginalGeek]

137. We saw a flaming red mostly Maine coon

That I wanted to call Tormund. But that beauty got snatched up right quick from the rescue place.

But we got the call today that we can pick our two new babies up on Thursday. They still have another round of shots to go and then these two sisters can come home. One is gray stripey and one is tuxedo. My wife has already nixed Gray Worm and I am on the fence with Greyjoy.

[bench scientist]

139. The waif from the house of black and white?

Pyke? where the greyjoys live?
good luck with the names
glad you got sisters so they can play together.

[OriginalGeek]

141. DOH!

Yara! She's the good Greyjoy anyway. I'm embarrassed I didn't think of her immediately. OR, Asha if we really want to get GoT geeky.

[bench scientist]

142. Geeky is always the way to go!! ( I'm studying to be patent lawyer ) and you are OG!

Yara is great name.

[Not Ruth]

126. I am not worried about Cersei

Can't you just put her name on a list? What is the point of Faceless Men if nobody!!! ever hires them?

[bench scientist]

134. I hope her end is epic!!

[Yavin4]

119. The whole season has felt like a first drafts of scripts

The creators had to get to places in a limited amount of show time, so they just went with their first thoughts. They didn't have someone like you asking these key questions.

[steve2470]

120. this is my understanding of her thinking...

1- I can't take out Cersei, because that would involve killing too many civilians and/or torching most of Kings Landing with my dragons

2- I don't want to be like the other conquerors, who didn't care about "collateral damage" (Tyrion's argument)

3- I have to convince Cersei via the wight that the Night King and Army of the Dead threat is real

4- I can capture a wight with no loss of dragons

As we know, point 4 was tragically wrong. Point 3 also didn't work because Cersi only cares about Cersei. Point 1, maybe they could have put together a squad of assassins to take her out.

[meadowlander]

144. Also, if you need a wight,

why not take a convict from Molestown, put him in a box at Castle Black, execute him, and then wait for him to rise? We already know from season 1 that Castle Black is within the range where the dead will rise. The entire trip north of the wall was pointless and contrived.

[RandySF]

110. I thought I heard "Dueling Banjos" as Jon and Dany got it on.

[WinkyDink]

131. And what do you hear when it's Jaime and Cersei?!

[RandySF]

136. .

[steve2470]

121. a few memes....

[steve2470]

124. Headey and Jerome Flynn don't speak to each other, part of reason for Bronn's exit at dragonpit

Headey's messy divorce isn't the only time her dirty laundry has been aired in the tabloids. In 2014, word got out to The Telegraph that Headey and co-star Jerome Flynn, who plays low-born sellsword Bronn, were being kept apart from each other at all times. "Jerome and Lena aren't on speaking terms any more and they are never in the same room at the same time," a Game of Thrones crew member admitted to The Telegraph. "It's a pity because they appeared to have patched things up for a while, but now the word is they should be kept apart at all costs." The exact reason behind their on-set tension was not made clear. However, it may have something to do with the fact that Headey courted the mercenary more than a decade ago.

http://www.looper.com/13583/darkest-secrets-cast-game-thrones/?utm_campaign=clip

[steve2470]

125. Rest Easy, GRRM, a Computer Program Has Written....

Rest Easy, George RR Martin, a Computer Program Has Written The Winds of Winter For You

http://io9.gizmodo.com/rest-easy-george-r-r-martin-a-computer-program-has-w-1798541924